The Official Nintendo Wii (Revolution) Thread

[Myoti]

*is amazed by everything the Wii now has and too lazy to really argue about anything at the moment; much watch the SSBB video first...*

EDIT: Just watched the video for SSBB.

I... can't... breathe...

[Togira Ikonoka]

lol the wii im just interested in the price and what kinda game the people can think up with that odd controller. I mean it might bring in a whole new type of gamers lol past generations just like the DS has. Ooh my wallet is going to hurt when im done but it wont be to highpriced like the 360 and the ps3. But im wondering how the graphics will turn out on the wii, what I have heard so far is they will be similar to the gamecube. but ooh the capabilities,and i cant wait till zelda the twighlight princess comes out ive been waiting forever for that title.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

I see nothing wrong with Opera... one of the best browsers out there (In some ways superior to firefox)

[skyblue]

I see nothing wrong with Opera... one of the best browsers out there (In some ways superior to firefox)

So, in short, it's highly underrated, right? Because, I don't think I've ever heard of Opera before.

[Scarecrow]

Well noone used to use it cause you had to pay for it before I believe. But now I hear its completely free.

No browser is not worth paying for I don't care what it does. But yes when I checked out the trial, it was pretty sweet.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Well noone used to use it cause you had to pay for it before I believe. But now I hear its completely free.

No browser is not worth paying for I don't care what it does. But yes when I checked out the trial, it was pretty sweet.

Well it has always been free, but it had this opera banner that never dissapeared

Now it's totally free and bannerless.

[Bobtheduck]

Even if it were firefox, surfing the net on a SD TV is nearly impossible... SD TVs don't handle text very well... It tends to bleed and blur and you can't read anything... When they do things like captions and subtitles and text in games, they have to design it specially to be visible (making it bigger, putting backgrounds on the text, etc) Good luck getting any real use out of THAT... I have tried to surf the net on my TV with both my computer and with the dreamcast (did you guys forget THAT included a web browser??) Unless the Wii gets some sort of HD connectivity or the capability of connecting it to a monitor, this is going to be a pretty much worthless feature.

[Yojimbo]

Oh I tried to browse the internet on my Dreamcast way back...that lasted about 45 seconds. In short it truly did look like crap. The magnifying tool didn't make it much better. I really don't understand why Nintendo did this.

[glitch1501]

I really don't understand why Nintendo did this.

its because they are insane...duh

[meboeck]

its because they are insane...duh

Let's not have bashing, please. We aren't going to truly know how good or bad it is until we have a chance to try it.

[Mega.EXE]

yea they are kinda weird and I'm hardcore Nintendo fan but that's why they is so good ya know?

[Nate]

I disagree. Hardly anything Nintendo has done that's "innovative" has been good. Let's look at the list, shall we?

Power Pad - Used for only a handful of games, it was really pretty pointless. Failure.

Zapper - Though it was only used for a handful of games too, you can't deny the popularity of Duck Hunt. It also spawned other systems to have light guns. Success.

Power Glove - Anyone who's used it will tell you it was difficult to utilize. Failure.

U-Force - Same thing, people said it was impossible to do pretty much anything with this piece of junk. Failure.

Super Game Boy - Though it was pretty much a ripoff of what Turbografx 16 had done, it was a neat little item, and sold relatively well from what I've heard. Success.

Game Boy Camera - It served no purpose and was really really bad. Failure.

Super Nintendo Mouse - It was neat for Mario Paint, but none of the games in Japan that used it came to America. Not that there were that many of those anyway. Success as far as Mario Paint. Failure otherwise.

Virtual Boy - Ha. That's a funny joke. Obvious failure.

Game Boy Advance/Gamecube Connectivity - It was used very well in Four Swords for the Gamecube. Otherwise it was pointless at best, frustrating at worst (looking at you, Crystal Chronicles). Half failure, half success.

Wow. Looking back, almost everything Nintendo has done that was "innovative" was a total failure. How then does Nintendo have some sort of reputation as the masters of innovation? If anything, they're the dropouts of innovation. They have one or two success stories for every three failures. That doesn't make someone a success. Heck, they're not even above 50% on their record.

I love Nintendo. I do. But please. Their innovations are garbage. It's the games that make Nintendo great. Not their stupid gimmicks. That's why I'm a bit disappointed Nintendo is focusing on gimmicks for the Revo rather than putting everything they have into the games. In fact, I would love it if Nintendo went third party like Sega did. Then they wouldn't have to worry about innovations, they could focus their entire effort on making the best games the world has seen.

Of course, that will never happen, as Nintendo would probably rather go bankrupt than go third party. But I can dream. Or at least hope they stop being gimmicky. Because the innovations Nintendo has makes them one of the worst companies around.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

To anyone who doesn't see a browser for the DS as a good idea. I disagree. I've used a Treo to browse CAA, and it works wonders.

I assume the same will apply with the DS =D

[Shia Kyosuka]

My opinion of how the list should go.

Power pad = fun = success. Not a day passed where my brother and I didn't play this one back in the day + spawned DDR.

Zapper = obvious success. Look what's spawned from it. Time Crisis, House of the Dead etc.

power glove = nope, failure

U-force (This shouldn't even be apart of this list. It was made by Broderbund; thus, not even relevant to this list, but whatever) = freaking hilarious = success.

game boy camera = nah. wasn't fun... or even used, I think.

Nintendo mouse = success.

Virtual boy = psh. It succeeded in making people blind to the color red.

advance - cube connect = good if done right + copied by Sony with PSP and PS2 and PS3 = success.

There have been failures, sure, but alot of these things aren't garbage. Virtual Boy, gba-gcn connectivity, power pad... They all made games even more fun than they were.

Truthfully, if Nintendo went Third-Party, I'd quit gaming for life, as they were the people who brought me to gaming at the age of one. Gaming consoles left to Sony and MS? no. just no.

[Bobtheduck]

Let's not have bashing, please. We aren't going to truly know how good or bad it is until we have a chance to try it.

No, I can tell you... Browsing the web on your TV is going to be crap. It's been done before, and it was a total failure then... Dreamcast and computer (using TV outputs) So, in a way, we have tried it. The Wii won't make your TV magically more suited to small text. Zooming in to the size you need it to be will make surfing a pain in its own right, too... Scrolling to the left and right, and scrolling down... It's sort of been proven to be bad.

[Shia Kyosuka]

No, I can tell you... Browsing the web on your TV is going to be crap. It's been done before, and it was a total failure then... Dreamcast and computer (using TV outputs) So, in a way, we have tried it. The Wii won't make your TV magically more suited to small text. Zooming in to the size you need it to be will make surfing a pain in its own right, too... Scrolling to the left and right, and scrolling down... It's sort of been proven to be bad.

I don't know... Seems like Nintendo would already know this, and have a solution, other than the fact that Wii can connect to a computer monitor...

[blkmage]

Part of the reason why Nintendo's games are so good is because they're the ones who designed the controller and they make use of that. It almost seems like the controllers are designed for the games rather than the other way around. Also, having control over their own platform and hardware is another reason why they make good games.

And of course, how can we mention Nintendo and innovation without mentioning the d-pad? And how about that multitap? The DS?

[Bobtheduck]

I don't know... Seems like Nintendo would already know this, and have a solution, other than the fact that Wii can connect to a computer monitor...

Then shouldn't nintendo have known that Green is the most comfortable color to use in a monochrome display, not red? Also, if you're gonna connect it to a computer screen, why not just use a computer?

[Shia Kyosuka]

Then shouldn't nintendo have known that Green is the most comfortable color to use in a monochrome display, not red? Also, if you're gonna connect it to a computer screen, why not just use a computer?

Because, you can't play Wii games on em.

puh-awned!

And, it's sorta convinient... I can't have a computer in my room, because my mom thinks I won't go to sleep on time.

What do I do? Hook a monitor to Wii and BAM. Surfin the net. But, I still do think they'll do something about surfing the net on a TV.

[Nate]

And of course, how can we mention Nintendo and innovation without mentioning the d-pad? And how about that multitap? The DS?

The DS is a huge oversight on my part, I apologize. Yes, that was a resounding success. The multitap, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that since it probably was the reason newer consoles have multiple controller ports built in.

The d-pad wasn't invented by Nintendo, by the way. So that's one innovation Nintendo can't claim.

Mattel invented the first directional pad on the Intellivision in 1980, though it wasn't the plus sign shape that the NES had. It was rather a circular pad that allowed for 16 directions of movement. This was a big deal because it was the first time anything other than a joystick had been used in a home console.

The first true d-pad, though, appeared on a handheld game called "Cosmic Adventure" by Milton Bradley.

It was in 1982 that Gunpei Yokoi stole this idea and implemented it on the Game and Watch games. Yes, I said stole. If you Nintendo fanboys are gonna call Sony thieves for putting in XYZ sensors in the PS3, I'm gonna call Nintendo thieves for stealing the d-pad from Milton Bradley. ]Part of the reason why Nintendo's games are so good is because they're the ones who designed the controller and they make use of that. It almost seems like the controllers are designed for the games rather than the other way around. Also, having control over their own platform and hardware is another reason why they make good games.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to see your logic here, but I can't. The controller has nothing to do with why Nintendo's games are so fun. Ask anyone who played the NES as a kid. Do they say "It was awesome because the controller was designed so well?" No. They say "It was awesome because the games were so cool."

And what does having control over their platform and hardware have to do with making games? Square-Enix, Konami, Capcom, all these companies make freaking awesome games without their own platform or hardware. If Nintendo went third party, they would still make awesome games.

[Scarecrow]

[quote="kaemmerite"]
The first true d-pad, though, appeared on a handheld game called "Cosmic Adventure" by Milton Bradley.

It was in 1982 that Gunpei Yokoi stole this idea and implemented it on the Game and Watch games. Yes, I said stole. If you Nintendo fanboys are gonna call Sony thieves for putting in XYZ sensors in the PS3, I'm gonna call Nintendo thieves for stealing the d-pad from Milton Bradley. ]

The differnce between Sony copying Nintendo as far as motion sensor and Nintendo stealing the d-pad is Sony is just doing it once it saw how popular the sensor control for the wii was becoming. Nintendo just took an idea... yea stole it and used it for their new controller. But they weren't copying it just to play catchup and they added to it. Nintendo 64 also came out with the joystick controller. And while the Joystick is nothing new either, Nintendo was the first to put it to use in that way. And then look what happened... Sony went and copied that too. Sony controllers never had joystick controll till after the 64 came out.

Sony is just someone who copies the competition to try and stay a step ahead rather than just coming up with their own ideas of how to use current technology. Nintendo does, Sony follows. At least Nintendo takes small things from past success/failures and builds on that to try and come up with new stuff.

So while yes, Nintendo is a theif in that they steal others ideas and uses em, Sony just plain out copies everything nintendo does.

[Nate]

Nintendo 64 also came out with the joystick controller.

Also false. The analog stick was introduced with the Emerson Arcadia controller, but did not reach popularity until the Nintendo 64.

Please do some research before you make false statements.

EDIT: So I guess you could say the analog stick was another thing Nintendo "stole." Meaning Nintendo is as much thieves as Sony is.

Look, I'm not denying Sony put the motion thing in their controller as a response to Nintendo. I admit it. But this is the world of business, people, and there's no law against copying an idea. In fact, if businesses didn't copy other businesses, we wouldn't have a lot of things that you probably love.

Sony may copy Nintendo, but they're the leader of the console wars right now. So know what? Complain all you want, but they're obviously doing something right.

[Scarecrow]

Sony may copy Nintendo, but they're the leader of the console wars right now. So know what? Complain all you want, but they're obviously doing something right.

You are correct. All the gamers who played nintendo and atari etc have grown up and now they want more mature games. Sony and Xbox offers this. Nintendo still pans to kids with its light gaming... I'm not much of a gamer at all so that is why I will always love Nintendo

[Shia Kyosuka]

You are correct. All the gamers who played nintendo and atari etc have grown up and now they want more mature games. Sony and Xbox offers this. Nintendo still pans to kids with its light gaming...

False. Nintendo serves everyone with it's gaming. Mario is a character that's meant for everyone, kids to adults, to play. They've said this many times.

Super Smash Brothers is played by people of all ages. Mario 64 is played by people of all ages. SMG will be played by people of all ages.

It HAS been assumed, by a percentage of the gaming community (mostly the closed-minded ones), that Nintendo's games and consoles are for kids. I will admit that., but Resident Evil 4, and Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes aren't for kids, so the fact that they were on the gamecube, alone, is enough evidence that GameCube isn't for kids.

EDIT: and I think Geist (while it was a pretty bad game. Or at least that's what I've read) was made by Nintendo, too. That was made to serve the people who seemed to think that Nintendo was a kids' console. That game's rated Mature. While Metroid Prime isn't rated M and rated T, It's not for kids. There are others too...

GameCube was very unpopular, because of its lack of 3rd party support; thus, lack of third party games. They had to mostly depend on their First-Party games. This was because of Nintendo's treating the third-parties very badly. They also did this with the N64, which is why they all moved to the PS1 (along with the fact that N64 used carts, which are expensive, and don't hold as much as the PS1). It also had very little marketing (if any at all), until later in its life.

PS1, on the other hand, was cheaper and easier to develop for, because of its memory bards, and CD's.

[Locke]

Alright fanboys, chew this one up.

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/top/at-e3-that-was-not-a-wii-but-a-gamecube-174625.php

I was actually dissapointed with the Wii's graphics, this kinda maybe somewhat explains why.

[Shia Kyosuka]

Yeah, I've known about that for a small while (about... 3-5 days?)

It actually makes alot of sense.

[mastersquirrel]

I would like to point out the name of this thread. It's not "the who made what argument" thread, it's the Wii thread. You know, for talk about the Wii. I would really like to look at this thread and see news about the Wii without having to slog through arguments over who made what and who's stealing what from who. Lay off, in the end it really doesn't matter that much.

[Locke]

Yeah, I've known about that for a small while (about... 3-5 days?)

It actually makes alot of sense.

yeah, its a good thing their still working on it because it only makes the graphics we saw at E3 a little taste of the awsomeness that is going to be the Revo- Wii!

[Scarecrow]

False. Nintendo serves everyone with it's gaming. Mario is a character that's meant for everyone, kids to adults, to play. They've said this many times.

Super Smash Brothers is played by people of all ages. Mario 64 is played by people of all ages. SMG will be played by people of all ages.

It HAS been assumed, by a percentage of the gaming community (mostly the closed-minded ones), that Nintendo's games and consoles are for kids. I will admit that., but Resident Evil 4, and Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes aren't for kids, so the fact that they were on the gamecube, alone, is enough evidence that GameCube isn't for kids.

Erm ok I know what your saying but in general, Nintendo is viewed by most others as being a kids system. Yes they have PLENTY of games that are for everyone and many see "Everyone" as being... kiddish. PS focuses more on hard core gaming like with their RPGs and such. And yes there are a FEW GC games that are much more mature and for an older audiance but if I were seriously into gaming, Id get a PS2 because it specifically targets more a more hard core gamers. When I say hard core, I'm not talking about the content or the maturity level. Im talking about gameplay. The average person whos not really into video games would never pick up a Final Fantasy game or something like Oblivion. It would be boring.

Nintendo offers alot more that would appeal to someone whos just looking for casual play like when friends come over or to pass a couple hours. "Gamers" see these light games as kiddish even though theyre for everyone. They're just not as complex as the stuff they play. Nintendo has a few but not enough worth buying a GC over a PS2 if youre into those types of games.

But that is the reason I like Nintendo... its made for everyone... its casual, fun gaming for the most part. I would never buy a PS2 because most of theirs I find just too long and boring and ment for someone to spend hours and hours playing.

So basically thats what I was saying.

[Mr. SmartyPants]

It's a sad part of the gaming community begging for graphics. I find it a sign of weakness and not understanding what true gaming is.

I am perfectly content with the Gamecube's graphics. I don't need an upgrade. I'm fine how it is.

It really annoys the crap out of me how people focus on graphics too much.