Ok thanks y'all for ganging up on me I feel so like welcome... lol
But what I mean by nude as a sin I'm talking about pronography and showing it off in comix, shows and magazines.
Incase you don't know it destroys sexual pruity and it can cause addictions too.
Plus Adam and Eve were maried so it was ok for them.... lol
and Isaia had underwear on I know because I've read that verse too.
You know I've seen scuptures and drawn pictures of naked men before and it's ruined my life and you can call me weak or whatever. You can make fun of me and just shut me out but it's true and now i have to live with it just because some people thought it wasn't wrong.
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Pan Chan wrote:and Isaia had underwear on I know because I've read that verse too.
Usually I don't clam 100% knowledge on a verse, because the Bible is very open to interpretation. However, I can claim it on this one, and I can flat out say you're wrong. You're completely wrong. I can prove it. Read the verses after that:
3 Then the LORD said, "Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush, 4 so the king of Assyria will lead away stripped and barefoot the Egyptian captives and Cushite exiles, young and old, with buttocks bared—to Egypt's shame. 5 Those who trusted in Cush and boasted in Egypt will be afraid and put to shame. - Isaiah 20:3-5
What can we gain from this?
God said that just as his servent has gone, so will the Egyptian captives and Cushites go. Note the use of God's phrase "buttocks bared." Unless you have some funky underwear, NO underwear bares the buttocks. Since the Cushites/Egyptian captives were to be just as Isaiah was, and their buttocks would be bared, so then were Isaiah's buttocks bared. Thus, since his underwear probably did not have holes in them, Isaiah must not have worn underwear.
Incase you don't know it destroys sexual pruity and it can cause addictions too.
It would be more correct to say it CAN, it doesn't always. And nudity will only destroy sexual purity if it causes you to lust.
But what I mean by nude as a sin I'm talking about pronography and showing it off in comix, shows and magazines.
I agree to a point. Pornography is definitely a sin, I don't think you'll find very many people here (if any) who would disagree with you on that point. However, nudity is NOT equivalent to pornography. I'm not saying that nudity can't cause lust. It can. But it is NOT porn because of that. Pornography depicts sexual acts, nudity does not. Nudity is NOT porn, and it is incorrect to assume it as such.
You know I've seen scuptures and drawn pictures of naked men before and it's ruined my life and you can call me weak or whatever. You can make fun of me and just shut me out but it's true and now i have to live with it just because some people thought it wasn't wrong.
I won't make fun of you. Sin is not something to poke fun at, nor is it a cause for ridicule. None of us here are without sin, and we will not call you names or laugh or look down upon you for sinning. If those things cause you to sin, that is definitely a stumbling block for you, and you should avoid them.
HOWEVER, just because it makes you sin does not mean it is sinful. It is sinful for YOU, but maybe not sinful for EVERYONE. Alcohol is a good example. Alcoholics should definitely avoid alcohol, because if they consume it it will lead to drunkenness. Me, I can drink one or two drinks and stop, and not feel compelled to drink to excess. For the alcoholic, it is bad to be near alcohol, because he will be tempted to drink to drunkenness. To me, it is not, because I can stop drinking after a couple of drinks.
Do you see what I'm getting at? It may be a sin for you. That is no question. Me, I can look at the statue of Michaelangelo's David without having lustful thoughts. If you can't, I cannot condemn you, for I am a sinful creature just as you. However, neither should you condemn those of us who do not lust from looking at artistic nudity. Remember Romans.
Ezekiel 23:20
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Drinking acohol is a sin but that's not the point.
Ok so what? your version says he was naked but so was Jesus on the cross but showing of nudity in comix is rong this is all I'm trying to say. It should not be used. I don't care if you don't think it's sinning or not because I know the truth!
Showing off a naked person is pronography!
Ok so what? your version says he was naked but so was Jesus on the cross but showing of nudity in comix is rong this is all I'm trying to say. It should not be used. I don't care if you don't think it's sinning or not because I know the truth!
Showing off a naked person is pronography!
Whatever... lol
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Pan Chan wrote:Drinking acohol is a sin but that's not the point.
This debate has caused many, many locked threads in the past. I'm not going to touch it.
Ok so what? your version says he was naked
For the record, the King James Version ALSO says "buttocks uncovered."
but showing of nudity in comix is rong this is all I'm trying to say. It should not be used. I don't care if you don't think it's sinning or not because I know the truth!
Showing off a naked person is pronography!
Whatever. God created Adam and Eve nude. God said it was very good. God can't lie. Therefore nudity is not bad. It's basically coming down to God saying something is good, and He is incapable of lying, or you saying something is bad, and you being a human being capable of lying. Hmm. Sorry. It comes down to your word versus God's, and I follow God, not you.
Finally,
Pornography: Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal. - From dictionary.com
If I draw a painting of a nude man, it is not sexually explicit. Therefore it is not pornography. Period.
Ezekiel 23:20
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Well lets see.... hmmmm... did anyone else see Adam and Eve? No they didn't.
Did you know KJV is mistranslated in some places.
Wow! You fallow God? So do I. To tell the truth you sound more like you're fallowing the world not God in that place no offence or anything but that's the way I see it.
Oh by the way it also sounds like you've broken the secound commandment(not to mention the one about adultry) which means you've only chreated a God to fit your standerds and your thoughts.
Love you....
Did you know KJV is mistranslated in some places.
Wow! You fallow God? So do I. To tell the truth you sound more like you're fallowing the world not God in that place no offence or anything but that's the way I see it.
Oh by the way it also sounds like you've broken the secound commandment(not to mention the one about adultry) which means you've only chreated a God to fit your standerds and your thoughts.
Love you....
Whatever... lol
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okay, so what your saying is that Adam and Eve participated in pornography? nope, I don't think so.
Pornography- Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
what about poor people in other countries who don't have enough money to buy clothes? they have to walk around naked, but would this be considered pornography? no. and what about Jesus Christ? he was nude on the cross and did he participate in pornography? no.
pornography is a terrible thing. it twists marriage and sex into something disgusting. yes, pornography is a sin and it is very wrong, but nudity is not.
Nudity- Having no clothing; naked.
so, seriously, I don't see how nudity could be a sin. but if it does cause someone to be sexual aroused, then I suggest they stop looking at it. but for some people, it's not a problem.
oh, and what if, per se, someone is writing a book. okay, the author included a section that has some poor people who are walking around naked because they're poor or something and the paragraph was not ment to cause sexual arousal.
should we call this a sin? no. because, in the real world, there ARE people who are too poor to buy clothes and they HAVE to walk around naked when they don't WANT to, and to say they are particpating in pornography just because they don't have enough money to buy clothes is wrong.
but when you look at nudity, and you have a problem with it, then just don't look at it; it's as simple as that. some people, like me, don't have a problem with nudtiy and they don't get sexualy aroused. does that mean I enjoy looking at nudity? no. I do not go rambling on about how I think it's evil or sinful or go looking at porn, I just simply look at the next pic or fast forward the scene. because there's nothing you can really do about it.
Pornography- Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal.
what about poor people in other countries who don't have enough money to buy clothes? they have to walk around naked, but would this be considered pornography? no. and what about Jesus Christ? he was nude on the cross and did he participate in pornography? no.
pornography is a terrible thing. it twists marriage and sex into something disgusting. yes, pornography is a sin and it is very wrong, but nudity is not.
Nudity- Having no clothing; naked.
so, seriously, I don't see how nudity could be a sin. but if it does cause someone to be sexual aroused, then I suggest they stop looking at it. but for some people, it's not a problem.
oh, and what if, per se, someone is writing a book. okay, the author included a section that has some poor people who are walking around naked because they're poor or something and the paragraph was not ment to cause sexual arousal.
should we call this a sin? no. because, in the real world, there ARE people who are too poor to buy clothes and they HAVE to walk around naked when they don't WANT to, and to say they are particpating in pornography just because they don't have enough money to buy clothes is wrong.
but when you look at nudity, and you have a problem with it, then just don't look at it; it's as simple as that. some people, like me, don't have a problem with nudtiy and they don't get sexualy aroused. does that mean I enjoy looking at nudity? no. I do not go rambling on about how I think it's evil or sinful or go looking at porn, I just simply look at the next pic or fast forward the scene. because there's nothing you can really do about it.
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Sigh you people don't see it do you?
Poor people who don't have cloths are poor people who need cloths. It's our own fault they don't have any so we should cloth them right?
No one else saw Adam and Eve! Just God Adam and Eve but still Adam and Eve is not what I'm talking about I'm talking about in comix, cartoons and magazines.
Stop going off topic just to justify a sin and make me fall on my face like a fool.
Just listen ok.
Nudity in comix, books, cartoons and magazines is rong it's called pronography.
There's no reason why anyone should put sex in a book except for thier own pleasure.
Song of Solomon was used to show how a wife and husband should well you know and since it's allready been explaned why should someone else do it?
And the same goes for nudity in cartoons and comix.
You can show someone naked without showing nudity you know and I don't see any reason why you'd want to anyways.......
Poor people who don't have cloths are poor people who need cloths. It's our own fault they don't have any so we should cloth them right?
No one else saw Adam and Eve! Just God Adam and Eve but still Adam and Eve is not what I'm talking about I'm talking about in comix, cartoons and magazines.
Stop going off topic just to justify a sin and make me fall on my face like a fool.
Just listen ok.
Nudity in comix, books, cartoons and magazines is rong it's called pronography.
There's no reason why anyone should put sex in a book except for thier own pleasure.
Song of Solomon was used to show how a wife and husband should well you know and since it's allready been explaned why should someone else do it?
And the same goes for nudity in cartoons and comix.
You can show someone naked without showing nudity you know and I don't see any reason why you'd want to anyways.......
Whatever... lol
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It feels like personal attacks are being made here, so let's try to cool it. I'm aware that certain lines have been crossed in this thread by certain individuals, and these instances will be addressed via PM, but in the mean time, let's try to stay on topic and suggest things which have not been brought up yet that we feel will be helpful to answering Naga Kisaki's question.
Thanks!
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Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
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Personally, Naga Kisaki, I find the situation you mentioned offensive. I enjoyed Ranma 'till about volume 24, so nudity wasn't really a problem with me (though I've changed what I looked at recently). I'd definitely ask what the author' reason for portraying that way was, because it seems to me that there must have been an alternative. Sex is in society, but I think Christians have to be careful how they portray it. We have our witness to be concerned about.
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Only 2% of all Japan are Christian.
In Japan, Sexuallity is a way of life. America is MUCH more pude then the rest of the world (Take France for example, there are nude models in Vouge)
Its part of the Japanese culture to use sex as humor and media, so you shouldn't be bothered by that sort of thing
In Japan, Sexuallity is a way of life. America is MUCH more pude then the rest of the world (Take France for example, there are nude models in Vouge)
Its part of the Japanese culture to use sex as humor and media, so you shouldn't be bothered by that sort of thing
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Bianca wrote:Its part of the Japanese culture to use sex as humor and media, so you shouldn't be bothered by that sort of thing
Scripture says that we should not put any unwholesome thing before our eyes. For that reason, sexual content in manga does and will continue to bother me. Likewise, to accept something because the society has deemed it right I think to some extent violates the fact that we've been put in our cultures to be Salt and light. I can't, in good conscience, accept a lot of the sexual content in manga, because it supports a view of sex which God does not suport.
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Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.
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Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.
But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Haha..I didn't mean it that way really, I can understand why it would bother people, rather, it shouldn't shock you to know that there is probably going to be sex in manga, even in kid stuff (Like what I mentioned in the SDC thread)
So I suppose its better just to ignore it, because thats the Japanese for you><
So I suppose its better just to ignore it, because thats the Japanese for you><
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I don't know about the others, but coming from the world, it doesn't surprise me as much. We're talking about such stuff in Christian works, which is totally different.
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Pan Chan wrote:Well lets see.... hmmmm... did anyone else see Adam and Eve? No they didn't.
No but they would have. The only reason that humans clothe themselves is that sin came into the world and Adam and Eve were thrown out into the cold and ashamed of what they saw in themsleves. God had originally created the human body with no intention of covering them at all:
Genesis 2:25
The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
Notice it says the man and his wife, this man and wife is a character reference, not a relational reference. God never intended that the naked body be something to be ashamed of.
Still, granted that we have made a comlpete mess up of everything and now that sin is in the world we have the problem fo lust. This meas that somepeople can have problems with nudity and I respect that you make your choices and you should stick by them, it is just that this is not an absolute.
I grew up in a country were clothes were what in the tribal areas (about 75% of the population mind) the rich wore becasue they can afford to, and the not so rich do when its cold to keep warm. As such I find it poosible to view a fully naked women with out being aroused, I can still be dragged into lust if I am not careful yet, because of my upbringing, I have naturally enbedded saftey guards that mean I don't see the nakes women as a sexual odject. Just a women who happens to be wearing no clothes.
Again, this does not excuse things such as hentai and eichii, they are vile art mediums. Just to say that the all manga containining nudity is hentai.
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OtakuX wrote:No but they would have. The only reason that humans clothe themselves is that sin came into the world and Adam and Eve were thrown out into the cold and ashamed of what they saw in themsleves. God had originally created the human body with no intention of covering them at all:
Genesis 2:25
The man and his wife were both naked, and they felt no shame.
Notice it says the man and his wife, this man and wife is a character reference, not a relational reference. God never intended that the naked body be something to be ashamed of.
Still, granted that we have made a comlpete mess up of everything and now that sin is in the world we have the problem fo lust. This meas that somepeople can have problems with nudity and I respect that you make your choices and you should stick by them, it is just that this is not an absolute.
I grew up in a country were clothes were what in the tribal areas (about 75% of the population mind) the rich wore becasue they can afford to, and the not so rich do when its cold to keep warm. As such I find it poosible to view a fully naked women with out being aroused, I can still be dragged into lust if I am not careful yet, because of my upbringing, I have naturally enbedded saftey guards that mean I don't see the nakes women as a sexual odject. Just a women who happens to be wearing no clothes.
Again, this does not excuse things such as hentai and eichii, they are vile art mediums. Just to say that the all manga containining nudity is hentai.
I understand where your coming from I just don't see why you should draw that..... maybe I just don't understand.
All I have left to say on the matter..... Fallow your heart, do what ever but remember God will judge you for EVERYTHING you do either it be good or bad.
Whatever... lol
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Personally I don't think I would draw someone Completely nude in a comic, I'd just cut off the panel where necessary. As an artist however I do draw naked people to get a grasp on anatomy [which I sorely need] I don't have a whole lot of tolerance for nudity or showing something sexual, but I see no reason that it cannot be discussed. I think sex and other topics like abuse need to be dealt with allot in Christian materiel because they are so important. I do struggle my self with were to draw the line when I think about it, every one dose with something. Over the past few months I've become more accustomed to looking at the human body, it is an amazing and beautiful thing. God wanted it to be that way, not to produce lust but because he is beauty, there is nothing wrong with seeing that the body is beautiful.
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I have a hard time imagining a good reason a christian manga would have nudity. Not that I have anything against that but I'm pretty skeptical that there's a justification that overexcedes the stumbling block risk factor. Still, if you're ready to take the responsibility and answer for it before God during judgement, at least warn readers about such content with some label or something.
There are ways of conveying SC to readers without having to be graphic and over-stimulating their minds unnecessarily. Of course, having the SC should substantially contribute to the storyplot.
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Do NOT fallow your heart, for it is a deceitful thing.
To completelty ignore sexuality would be to deny part of life. In of itself it's not a bvad thing. Stories without sexual content can be given to younger readers... Nudity is a good thing. But there is never a need to draw or fully reveal a nude person in a drawing. There's no justified reason to cause a stumbling block like that... Humans seem to be prone to that kind of thing.
To completelty ignore sexuality would be to deny part of life. In of itself it's not a bvad thing. Stories without sexual content can be given to younger readers... Nudity is a good thing. But there is never a need to draw or fully reveal a nude person in a drawing. There's no justified reason to cause a stumbling block like that... Humans seem to be prone to that kind of thing.
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Mave wrote:I have a hard time imagining a good reason a christian manga would have nudity. Not that I have anything against that but I'm pretty skeptical that there's a justification that overexcedes the stumbling block risk factor. Still, if you're ready to take the responsibility and answer for it before God during judgement, at least warn readers about such content with some label or something.
There are ways of conveying SC to readers without having to be graphic and over-stimulating their minds unnecessarily. Of course, having the SC should substantially contribute to the storyplot.
I completely agree with Mave. As a writter, I can see no curcuimstances under which I would describe any sexual encounter. However, I did once write out a plot which would have involved the insuation that two character fornicated. The story itself was an elaborate fantasy about the destructive consequences of sin and the redemption available through the Savior, as symbolized by the King's son. The fornication was necessary to the plot (the aforementioned female character would become pregnant, causing her sin to be dicovered and start a chain reaction which would effect her child and those around her.), but the description of that fornication would be completely unnecessary.
Afterall, if you've read through the Old Testament, you'll find many, many stories about rape, fornication, adultery, and homosexuality. We can't say that the record of such events is sinful-- in light of God's decision to place them in Scripture.
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Every year in Uganda, innumerable children simply. . . disappear. These children all stolen under the cover of darkness from their homes and impressed into the guerilla armies of the LRA [Lord's Resistance Army]. In the deserts of Uganda, they are forced to witness the mindless slaughter of other children until they themselves can do nothing but kill. Kill. These children, generally ranging from ages 5-12, are brainwashed into murdering in the name of the resistance and into stealing other children from their beds to suffer the same fate.
Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.
But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.
But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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I have, in fact, seen good Christian authors add sexual content to a story to try to prove a moral point, but I have to say that I have never seen it added in a manner that I think is appropriate. Saying or insinuating that people had a sexual encounter is generally fine if you leave out all detail, but if people begin to add detail it can easily become a problem for others even if you are trying to make a good and acceptable moral point. In my opinion, while talking about these things isn't always wrong the addition of detail is more of a problem than it is worth because it can (and very likely will) spurn people to sin.
"...cease not a day from this work; be killing sin or it will be killing you." - John Owen The Mortification of Sin
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Puritan - Posts: 799
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I agree, finding the balance between the two can be very difficult. I suppose the only issue I have with this topic is where does nudity become sexuality?
If is was to start up that debate, I'd probably get this thread locked as it is a really ouchy subget for some people so with that I conceded and will watch from the sidelinees.
If is was to start up that debate, I'd probably get this thread locked as it is a really ouchy subget for some people so with that I conceded and will watch from the sidelinees.
Will insert something intelligent here later... maybe
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Neko Niisan - Posts: 384
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This is an interesting issue with me... I'm going to have life drawing classes, meaning I'll be drawing live nudes... Like, people are going to come into the classroom, disrobe, and I'll have to draw them to practice getting used to the anatomy of a person, related to my drawing and later my animating.
I'm not sure I can do that yet... I hope God gives me the ability to shut my hormones off before then... Until then, however, I need to pray that God cleans my mind out of the other crap I've filled it with. If I can go into that class with a pure mind, simply seeing those people naked won't cause me to sin, nor is it sin for them to model. It's just a way to study the human body, which is very important to animators and other artists... I honestly can't wait till I can look at a naked body as a figure to study and understand rather than something sexual. With the exception, that is, of my future wife. [spoiler]I'll, um, definately be seeing her sexually (and she'll be seeing me the same way) once that time comes...[/spoiler]
I'm not sure I can do that yet... I hope God gives me the ability to shut my hormones off before then... Until then, however, I need to pray that God cleans my mind out of the other crap I've filled it with. If I can go into that class with a pure mind, simply seeing those people naked won't cause me to sin, nor is it sin for them to model. It's just a way to study the human body, which is very important to animators and other artists... I honestly can't wait till I can look at a naked body as a figure to study and understand rather than something sexual. With the exception, that is, of my future wife. [spoiler]I'll, um, definately be seeing her sexually (and she'll be seeing me the same way) once that time comes...[/spoiler]
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Bobtheduck - Posts: 5867
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Hope that goes well for you Bob. I'll be prayer for ya'!
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Neko Niisan - Posts: 384
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Puritan wrote:I have, in fact, seen good Christian authors add sexual content to a story to try to prove a moral point, but I have to say that I have never seen it added in a manner that I think is appropriate. Saying or insinuating that people had a sexual encounter is generally fine if you leave out all detail, but if people begin to add detail it can easily become a problem for others even if you are trying to make a good and acceptable moral point. In my opinion, while talking about these things isn't always wrong the addition of detail is more of a problem than it is worth because it can (and very likely will) spurn people to sin.
I completely agree. I accidentally made it sound as though I found describing the fornication to be acceptable. What I meant to say was that I thought the insinuation of fornication would have been alright, but to describe such fornication would be unneccessary. Darn typos.
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Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.
But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
Because of this genocide of innocence, hundred and hundreds of children live every night sleeping in public places miles from their homes, because they know that if the do not-- they will disappear. They will become just another number in this genocide to which the international community has chosen to turn a blind eye. They will become, in affect, invisible-- Invisible Children.
But there are those who are trying to fight against this slaughter of Uganda's children. They fight to protect these "invisible children." Please, help them help a country full of children who know nothing by fear. Help save the innocence. For more information concerning how you can help and how you can get an incredible video about this horrific reality, visit the Invisible Children home page.
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Mangafanatic - Posts: 4918
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Sometime it would be better to just imply SC instead of showing it
Tis No Fool to lose what he can not keep to gain what he can never lose.
What does it profit a man to gain the World yet lose his soul.
Choose Life that you Might live.
What does it profit a man to gain the World yet lose his soul.
Choose Life that you Might live.
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Shao Feng-Li wrote:Do NOT fallow your heart, for it is a deceitful thing.
The reason I said that was because it's in the Bible.
That's all..... ok....
But ypou're right the heart can be deceitful but I think it was talking about disiers...
Whatever... lol
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Pan Chan - Posts: 77
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creed4 wrote:Sometime it would be better to just imply SC instead of showing it
I think it's safe to say it's always better to imply it.
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Shao Feng-Li - Posts: 5187
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Pan Chan wrote:The reason I said that was because it's in the Bible.
That's all..... ok....
But ypou're right the heart can be deceitful but I think it was talking about disiers...
Actually, the Bible doesn't say anywhere that you are to follow your heart. In fact, it says, "The heart is decietful above all things," which is what I believe Shao was quoting. Just thought you might like to know.
Be Thou my Vision, O Lord of my heart;
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.
Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.
Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.
Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.
High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.
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Yumie - Posts: 1939
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seems to me it means go ahead and sin (which we do all the time) but you're gonna get it.
It's in the negative.
It's in the negative.
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