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The Lion King

Postby Jeikobu » Mon Jan 10, 2005 3:59 pm

My Review:
The Disney Masterpiece. When I was a little kid, I absolutely loved this movie. However my parents did not and thought it had too many new age themes, like Raffiki the baboon being this sort of witch doctor, and Mufasa's thing about the kings in the sky. As a result, I hadn't seen this movie for years straight. However, upon seeing it again recently, I am as in awe of this animated masterpiece as ever. And really, I didn't see any strong new age themes. Yes, Raffiki seems to be a witch doctor of sorts, but the most he does is mix fruits in a bowl to paint on a tree certain things like Simba. And at one point, for a very short time, he's sitting on a rock in a meditating stance, but he's still talking to Simba while he's doing it, like it's more for show.
To be honest, I thought this movie had very strong Christian themes, whether it was intended or not. But it really moved me in the religious aspect, as well as in other aspects. Even from the beginning of the film, I immediately saw Simba's birth scene as a metaphor of the birth of the Messiah. They even had a bright light shine down on him from the sky. Just as well, Simba often plays that role, and as the end he assumes the role of king, just as Jesus shall return as king. And let's not forget Jesus is the Lion of Judah. ;) Mufasa I often see as a metaphor of God the Father. He is Simba's father, just like Father God is Jesus' true Father. In the part where he tells Simba that past kings watch over them from the stars (and eventually he (Mufasa) will too), I saw that as a way of saying that God watches over us (and my brother pointed out the plural sense could be like the Trinity (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost), or maybe it could be God and the angels he sends to protect us). The most obvious is later in the film when Mufasa appears to Simba from the clouds. First of all, I found it interesting when Simba is yelling to the sky "I thought you said you'd always be there for me!" (this is before Mufasa appears) It makes me think of how we search for God and sometimes go through hard times where we feel like God is not there for us. And yet, He's always there with a plan, just like what is shown in the Lion King, since shortly after that scene, Mufasa appears to Simba. This part couldn't be more obvious, the way it is portrayed. The face of Mufasa appears in the clouds in a god-like manner, and he speaks to Simba with a powerful, echoing voice. Then we see another angle of him, and he looks like the Mufasa we're used to, only he is sitting in the sky, surrounded by clouds and intense light. This couldn't be a stronger metaphor. It is one incredible scene. Another interesting aspect is Scar. His lair almost looks hell-like. And he takes Simba's throne while Simba is gone, just like Satan has dominion over this earth until the Messiah returns. And interestingly enough, at the end of the film, Simba does return, defeats Scar, and claims his throne, just as Jesus shall return, defeat Satan, and claim His throne. Also interesting is how Scar dies. Simba tosses him over the edge of a ridge and he dies with flame all around him, like the Lord throwing Satan in the lake of fire. And when Scar is in power, it's interesting how the kingdom is so barren and horrible looking, and when Simba returns the kingdom becomes beautiful again, symbolizing the kingdom of heaven that is to come. So as you can see, the Lion King can be a very good film for Christians.
Even outside religious aspects, the Lion King is one astounding film. It, as I mentioned, is a childhood film for me, and thus very sentimental. And even in itself, it is easily one of Disney's greatest all time films, maybe their greatest. The score by Hans Zimmer is simply incredible. It may be the greatest all time animated movie score, and it's up with the best movie scores period. It really adds to an already amazing film. I am certainly no fan of Elton John (he creeps me out!), but the song remixes he did for the film sounded wonderful. The animation is another high point. Animation in America seems to have really gone downhill now a days. So many cartoons and animated films are so low quality in this aspect. The characters are fake and simple looking. If only they'd take it back to films like Lion King. This has some of the best animation in animated movies. At the time it was released in 1994, it was incredible. And even now, it seems unchallenged by most other American animated films. And if there's one thing this movie has, it's drama. The story in itself is just excellent. But the scenes are done perfectly. It is a very moving and entertaining picture. When Simba finds Mufasa dead I was on the edge of tears, and I probably would've cried had I been alone. The same goes for when Mufasa appears to Simba from the sky, and at the end of the movie when Simba climbs Pride Rock to assume his throne. You don't get more dramatic than that. It is too amazing for words.
In short, Lion King is easily one of the greatest animated films of all time (worthy of the title of greatest), and definitely one of my favorite films period. It is a movie masterpiece and a must see.


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Postby Bobtheduck » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:07 pm

Considering the striking similarities to the plot of Lion King and a couple plot arcs of "Jungle Emporer" (an anime by the father of modern manga and anime, Osamu Tezuka) I hold quite a grudge against disney for taking this as their own creation and giving no credit where credit is due...

Animation, music, and acting are all likely superior to the original, but a rip off is a rip off, even if it is a good rip off. Of course, Tezuka idolized the MAN Walt Disney, so it seems things come full circle and start over again, all though the COMPANY disney can't be compared to the MAN that started it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evcNPfZlrZs Watch this movie なう。 It's legal, free... And it's more than its premise. It's not saying Fast Food is good food. Just watch it.
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Postby Hitokiri » Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:57 am

I read a review in my English Lit. book last semester that attacked Disney and The Lion King. Granted, I'm not to fond of Disney for reasons I will not mention however, some of the stuff this reviewer says is just crazy.

The article is called "All's Not Well in the Land of "The Lion King"" by Maragaret Lazarus. I tried to find the article online but I would have to buy it. However I will highlight some parts of the article.

She first starts out with the feminist issue bashing Dinsey for making women appear beautiful, seductive, and the guy gets the girl type thing. She draws from movies such as Beauty and the Best, Pocahantas, and The Little Mermaid. That's a bit understandable but most of those girls in those movies fought back..however the author fails to mention that and only mentions the "beauty" part.

She then starts he rtake on "The Lion King" and says "even before the sequence, however I started to shudder". She then goe sinto a rant how all the male lions are golden maned and from what i draw to this that she thinks that's supporting the Arian race who was race Hitler thought was the perfect race (blond hair, blue eyes, male, etc). "Picture this (and I apologize for spilling the plot): The golden-manned-that is, good-lion is presenting his first born male child to his subjects". From there she goes into howthe "circle of life" is fake cause these "subjects" are lion food.

This is where it gets crazy. She begins talking (errr...ranting) about the hyenas and the elephant graveyard how it's all jammed pack, messy, dirty, and alt he hyenas are evil and ... well....black as she said. She also emntions one of the voice actors, Woopi Goldberg. "One of their voices is done by Whoopi Goldberg, in a clearly inner-city dialect. I fthis is not ghetto, I don't know what is". I can see where she drew that from but I don't think Disney intended to atack the African American population or view them in that way.

Then she describes Scar. She mentions he is single, has no cubs, has black mane, and a "effeminate, limp-pawed British style done by Jeremy Irons - seemingly a gay caricture." I think she's looking to deep and missing the mark completely there. I don't think (and after watching the movie after I read this article) that it sounded gay. His voice sounded almost appealing and nice however contained wickedness and evil behind the mouth. I draw that from Saruman and Wormtougne from Lord of the Rings that use the same type of effect to gain power and stature by disguisng thier voice to appeal to those around them.

She mentions the Hyenas when Scar and his minions overun the pridelands and she says "Already Disney has gays and blacks ruining the "natural order" and the stereotypes keep on rolling. She mentions how the lionesses never try to stand up and fight Scar and takes the pacifist route and as always with Disney females, waits for the guy. For one thing, unless my zoology is wrong, lionf females are usually submissive to the male lions, even though the lioness does most of the hunting, they submit to the male. So it's wrong for Disney to keep true to some of the "real" instincts of animals? She also said her 7-year old son asked why the lionesses didnt attack...yeah ok. I didn't ask that when I was 8 and I still wonder that.

She then begins to wrap up her article by summarizing when the young, attractive, first born male comes to rescue the pridelines...kills "the gay usuper and sends the hyenas back to the dark, gloomy, bone-filled ghetto" She then says "Order is restored and the message is clear: only those born to privledge can bring about change". She seemingly forgot the lioness who went in searach of Simba and also forgot Timon and Pumba who also helped in purging of the "gay usuper and black hyenas" ::rollseyes:: I'm surprise she didn't attack Pumba for being fat and linked that to obesity.

She then wraps this "intresting" article with this "This is not a story about animals - we know animals don't behave this way. This is a metaphor for society that orginated in the minds of Disney's creators. These bigoted images and attitudes will lodge deeply in children's consciousness.
I'm not sure I always understand the law of the Hollywood jungle, but my boys defintely don't. Scared and frightened by The Lion King, they were also riveted, and deeply affected. But entranced by the "Disney's magic", they and millions of other children were given hidden messages that can only fo they-and us-harm."

I got a pretty good laugh from the article. Personally, I didn't get any hidden messages or whatever she said and I think it's a great movie. Like I said, I don't like Disney nor Hollywood but not to that extreme as Ms. Lazarus conveyed. Not advice for her is that: sit down, eat some popcorn, turn off your brain, and watch the movie.
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Postby Sesshoumaru » Tue Jan 11, 2005 2:42 pm

Jeikobu: Raffiki as a witch doctor?? OK :shake: anyway that was an amzing review.I never though of it showing or having a biblical message like that.Pretty good :thumb:

Hitokiri:As a black man myself I am offended by that review. Whoever wrote that deserves to be hung
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Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Tue Jan 11, 2005 7:24 pm

Sesshoumaru, you seriously need to calm down man. Yes, the review is wrong and racist but remember as a Christian to forgive.

I always thought of The Lion King as Macbeth with Lions. I think its my favourite Disney movie, and then Mulan. But I didn't think of any biblical refrences while watching it or even after. Now that you have mentioned it I think what you say can be applied to a large number of movies/books that are secular. But it is still very interesting!
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Postby Jeikobu » Tue Jan 11, 2005 8:24 pm

Thanks Warrior 4 Jesus. ^^

I dislike Disney also, but I love The Lion King, Miracle, and Remember the Titans, and enjoyed a couple others, regardless of who made them, because they are fantastic movies. I acknowledge how Disney copied off Jungle Emperor Leo, but that doesn't change my opinion of The Lion King. It makes me dislike Disney even more, but I will always love The Lion King.
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Postby Hitokiri » Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:00 am

The only Disney moves (excluding Pixar) that I really like and will watch whenever is Mulan and Lilo and Stitch.
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Postby oro! » Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:37 pm

I never thought of Lion King as a metaphor for Jesus, but it does fit, now that you say it. I jsut liked Lion King because lions are my favortie animals. It is also cool because it's actually a movie in Africa! I love that place too.
I believe that Lion King 2 and 1 and a half just can't live up to it, though 2 was okay.
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Postby Scribs » Sat Jan 15, 2005 3:54 pm

The lion king did in my opinion have a few new age type things in it (the whole circle of life concept) but not enough to ruin the film. I also saw some hints of feminism when Nala would always beat simba in their little fights, but again not enough to even really detract form the movie. I thought it was wonderfully done and I loved the score. Rowin Atkinson was very good as Zazu also.
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Postby Street » Sat Jan 15, 2005 5:15 pm

Hitokiri wrote:I read a review in my English Lit. book last semester that attacked Disney and The Lion King. Granted, I'm not to fond of Disney for reasons I will not mention however, some of the stuff this reviewer says is just crazy.

The article is called "All's Not Well in the Land of "The Lion King"" by Maragaret Lazarus. I tried to find the article online but I would have to buy it. However I will highlight some parts of the article.

She first starts out with the feminist issue bashing Dinsey for making women appear beautiful, seductive, and the guy gets the girl type thing. She draws from movies such as Beauty and the Best, Pocahantas, and The Little Mermaid. That's a bit understandable but most of those girls in those movies fought back..however the author fails to mention that and only mentions the "beauty" part.

She then starts he rtake on "The Lion King" and says "even before the sequence, however I started to shudder". She then goe sinto a rant how all the male lions are golden maned and from what i draw to this that she thinks that's supporting the Arian race who was race Hitler thought was the perfect race (blond hair, blue eyes, male, etc). "Picture this (and I apologize for spilling the plot): The golden-manned-that is, good-lion is presenting his first born male child to his subjects". From there she goes into howthe "circle of life" is fake cause these "subjects" are lion food.

This is where it gets crazy. She begins talking (errr...ranting) about the hyenas and the elephant graveyard how it's all jammed pack, messy, dirty, and alt he hyenas are evil and ... well....black as she said. She also emntions one of the voice actors, Woopi Goldberg. "One of their voices is done by Whoopi Goldberg, in a clearly inner-city dialect. I fthis is not ghetto, I don't know what is". I can see where she drew that from but I don't think Disney intended to atack the African American population or view them in that way.

Then she describes Scar. She mentions he is single, has no cubs, has black mane, and a "effeminate, limp-pawed British style done by Jeremy Irons - seemingly a gay caricture." I think she's looking to deep and missing the mark completely there. I don't think (and after watching the movie after I read this article) that it sounded gay. His voice sounded almost appealing and nice however contained wickedness and evil behind the mouth. I draw that from Saruman and Wormtougne from Lord of the Rings that use the same type of effect to gain power and stature by disguisng thier voice to appeal to those around them.

She mentions the Hyenas when Scar and his minions overun the pridelands and she says "Already Disney has gays and blacks ruining the "natural order" and the stereotypes keep on rolling. She mentions how the lionesses never try to stand up and fight Scar and takes the pacifist route and as always with Disney females, waits for the guy. For one thing, unless my zoology is wrong, lionf females are usually submissive to the male lions, even though the lioness does most of the hunting, they submit to the male. So it's wrong for Disney to keep true to some of the "real" instincts of animals? She also said her 7-year old son asked why the lionesses didnt attack...yeah ok. I didn't ask that when I was 8 and I still wonder that.

She then begins to wrap up her article by summarizing when the young, attractive, first born male comes to rescue the pridelines...kills "the gay usuper and sends the hyenas back to the dark, gloomy, bone-filled ghetto" She then says "Order is restored and the message is clear: only those born to privledge can bring about change". She seemingly forgot the lioness who went in searach of Simba and also forgot Timon and Pumba who also helped in purging of the "gay usuper and black hyenas" ::rollseyes:: I'm surprise she didn't attack Pumba for being fat and linked that to obesity.

She then wraps this "intresting" article with this "This is not a story about animals - we know animals don't behave this way. This is a metaphor for society that orginated in the minds of Disney's creators. These bigoted images and attitudes will lodge deeply in children's consciousness.
I'm not sure I always understand the law of the Hollywood jungle, but my boys defintely don't. Scared and frightened by The Lion King, they were also riveted, and deeply affected. But entranced by the "Disney's magic", they and millions of other children were given hidden messages that can only fo they-and us-harm."

I got a pretty good laugh from the article. Personally, I didn't get any hidden messages or whatever she said and I think it's a great movie. Like I said, I don't like Disney nor Hollywood but not to that extreme as Ms. Lazarus conveyed. Not advice for her is that: sit down, eat some popcorn, turn off your brain, and watch the movie.




hahaha You know, You wouldn't believe How many artical's, reports that i've read that tried to proclaim "The Lion King" as a racist film... But in truth it happens to alot of films now doesn't it? But boy have I read alot of this for this movie.


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Postby Jeikobu » Sun Jan 16, 2005 9:39 pm

piloswine wrote:The lion king did in my opinion have a few new age type things in it (the whole circle of life concept) but not enough to ruin the film. I also saw some hints of feminism when Nala would always beat simba in their little fights, but again not enough to even really detract form the movie. I thought it was wonderfully done and I loved the score. Rowin Atkinson was very good as Zazu also.

I didn't find the circle of life thing new age, that just sounded like the food chain (the way everything has a cycle, like what Mufasa said).
That wasn't sexist, remember Simba pins Nala later on it the film when they are adults. ;)
Yes, the score is incredible. Hans Zimmer is brilliant. It's cool also that an African composer helped out, so it ended up sounding very authentically African.
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