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Postby Haibane Shadsie » Sat Jun 26, 2004 9:58 pm

Now for my reivew of a very controverisal movie that's currently playing.

Yep, you guessed it, "Fareignheight 9/11." I went to see it tonight.

I really had mixed feelings on it. If I didn't already have certain views on Bush before seeing it, I might have hated it, but...heh. I think, this election, Micheal Moore and I agree on a lot of things. In a lot of the film, he captured just the way I feel about certain things right now.

I clapped at the end, though the old man sitting beside me in the theather told his wife "Ugh. Micheal Moore hates America." I don't know know about Micheal Moore, but I LOVE AMERICA! I just... don't agree with every decision that every leader makes, Heh.

This movie comes with a bit of warning for though. Well, if you're a hard-line Bush supporter, I guarntee that you're going to hate it. I understand very much now why all those Bush supporters and Republican groups were trying to stop the movie, trying to stop the advertising, ect. It does not make our President and his immediate associates look good.

If you go, go into the theather with an open mind and an attitude that you are going to take everything in it with a grain of salt. Moore does splice things and takes some quotes out of context to potray his views, and, no matter what he says, the movie IS propaganda. Moore and his people may say that it's not propaganda, but they're only backpedalling - the movie is anti-Bush/Repubican propaganda.

However, there were a lot of good things in it. I particularly enjoyed the interviews with soliders and soldier's families. I love soldiers. I highly, highly respect military people. Mainly, the interviews with soldiers were with those who were jaded by the war - were sick of all the carnage they'd seen. I think the movie could have had more interviews with soldiers who, despite all, were still Bush-supporters just to make it more balanced, but.. eh. War is the word with the H and the two hockey sticks.

Also moving was the testimony of a family who had lost their son in the war, particuarly the interviews with the mother. The family is a very conservative, PATRIOTIC (more than one immediate family member to join the forces), and traditional Christian, but are upset with the war, upset with the way Bush has handled things, are grieving, and want answers. I think that alone is good to see for anyone who thinks "In order to be a Christian or in order to be holy, you've gotta vote Republican" (an attitude I personally hate). This family - good, patriotic, conservative Christian family - who is jaded with American Republicanism. It's just good to know that there are more people like me out there, ones with even better reasons than I have to be the way they are.

The movie's a bit boring at first.. then, it's sparked through with dramatic moments and...oddball humor. I liked the real newscast clips of products people invented and introduced after 9/11 - I REMEMBER seeing the original newscast of the "easy to put on" tall-building parachute. It was a real snippet - I remember seeing it on television! The end parts get very moving, though, with the testimonies of the soliders and stuff.

It's the kind of movie that gives viewers a lot to think about, and a lot to wonder about. Though, another bad point I found of the movie: It seemed to be very... "conspiracy heavy." The gist of the movie was that both wars were an oil and money conspiracy. I think that Moore should have spliced in some X-Files music for some of the scenes. :eyeroll:


Well, yeah, that's my review. Hope I don't get banned for bringing up a controversial movie. No political fights on this thread, please. I was just giving my thoughts, both pro and con for this particular movie, and telling people who want to see it what to expect.
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Postby Ashley » Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:07 pm

As always this thread gets ugly--and by that I mean let's try to keep it as nonpartisan as possible; I don't want CAA to become the next big advertising area for any political party whatsoever--it'll get locked. But play nice and we can all talk about the movie.
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Postby Locke » Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:23 pm

i really want to see it but according to the movie police i cant...

ive read 2 of his books and found them oh, whats a good word that wont get me banned? oh yes! COOL (and FUNNY ! )

non-fiction is makin a splsh in the movie industry if you ask me

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Postby Bobtheduck » Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:29 pm

This is one man I'm having a very hard time not hating... Hmm... I wouldn't give michael moore one red cent after what he said after September 11th.

This man is full of hatred. Hatred for our leader, hatred for an entire group of people he views as less than human, and hatred founded in his political views that really pays little attention to the people he has a problem with. I honestly wouldn't be able to show my true feelings here because it would violate the rules...

EDIT: I stand by what I said, every single word of it, and I will discuss this movie and director and human being no longer with anyone here or online at all. I can't see your face, I can't truely explain why I feel this way, and the same goes in the other direction. While I seem to be much more eloquent on a message board than in real life, there are still some things that I just can't do with a keyboard...
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Postby Haibane Shadsie » Sat Jun 26, 2004 10:29 pm

Movie Police? Whose that? Your parents?
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Postby Haibane Shadsie » Sat Jun 26, 2004 11:33 pm

Sorry for double post..didn't see the post above mine, because it posted at same time I was replying.


The whole "Moore classifies Conservatives as subhuman" thing - I find to be COMPLETELY FALSE. It's NOT the impression I got from the movie. Mind you, "Fareigheight 9/11" is the first and only Moore movie I've ever seen, but I did not get the "hatred" impression from the movie. Most of the people he talked to WERE conservative, and most of them were NOT thrown into a negative light. Bush was, certainly, and some of his top people, but not the common American-person conservative.

The movie was on a one-sided bent, I will say that. Moore, in addition, is NOT a man I want to "defend." I've seen him before on CNN and dissagreed with him on many issues with vitrol. However, to throw a broad brush and say "Oh, he hates all Republicans/Conservatives" is not the way to go, either. I think he does care for people as individuals, the "regular Joe Schmo Conservative American" and particularly poor people.


To be anti-war is NOT to be Anti-American, Anti-Christian, or Anti-Conservative. I think, if I met Moore, he'd probably consider me a conservative, though I agree with him fairly a lot on the Iraq war issue.

If you hate the guy, don't see his movie,but don't rush to judgement, especially on those who saw it and liked some aspects of it. It is God's to judge, not man's.
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Postby Zedian » Sun Jun 27, 2004 12:20 am

I'm going to see the movie, I found some good tension and humor brought up with Bowling for Columbine. I can't say I'm an avid fan of Moore--simply because sometimes he does become a bit to left-wing in his views but I certainly give him credit for releasing a movie that is circumvented on the war. I'm conservative but am in no way Republican (Even though I'm from Texas as absurd as that sounds), anyways I can summate that I think the war was a stupid idea to come about and well maybe that's one thing I can agree on with this guy.

Conspiracies theorist ? Hmmm...from what I understood there were lots of facts plugged into the movies' repotoire..I could be wrong, eh whatever. I'll probably just go into this open-minded and well to wither some time until Spidey 2 comes out.
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Postby Twilly Spree » Sun Jun 27, 2004 3:42 pm

Hoping to see it tonight....if my friend gets his butt in gear. Anywho, I think Moore is very American and I personally can't wait to see it. What kind of American would you be if you didn't have an opinoin? HS thanks very much for the insightful reports.

I believe Locke means the MPAA rating...am I right? It's currently listed as NR because Moore along with Mario Cuomo are contesting it's original "R" rating.
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Postby Lochaber Axe » Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:44 pm

I personally dislike Moore, I saw his Dateline interview and he is too much a liberal propagandist to me. I dislike anyone who is a propagandist no matter the party. I wouldn't watch the movie even if I had the money too.

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Postby Stephen » Sun Jun 27, 2004 9:33 pm

I would rather jam my thumb in my eye then subject myself to more then 5 seconds of listening to the ignorant little man. But thats just my opinion.
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Postby The Grammarian » Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:37 am

I'm with Shatterheart. I don't have much respect for left-wing agitprop artists, no matter how hard they try to cloak it in "entertain-umentary" terms.
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Postby Twilly Spree » Mon Jun 28, 2004 7:10 am

I thought this thread wasn't suppose to get partisan. Partisan threads on this website aren't suppose to fly right? Or is it just left wing partisanship? If we aren't going to talk about the movie, as a movie then this thread should just be shut down.
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Postby Bobtheduck » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:00 am

Well, to be perfectly frank, it's hard to discuss this movie in any terms but political, because it is a 100% politicallly motivated movie. And, our opinions on liking or disliking the movie will be based on exactly that. That being the case, it is rather pointless playing the martyr or protesting the injustice because you shouldn't have expected it to go any other way.
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Postby Twilly Spree » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:13 am

Not this blatant hate for the left wing that's being portrayed on this thread. The Kerry is a hyprocrite stuff. I mean c'mon! If I said that about Bush it wouldn't fly. Pointing out certain things in the movie, likes or dislikes. Firstly to have people sit here and make accusations of a movie they haven't seen, and to sit and use "left-wing" as some dirty word.
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Postby Technomancer » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:33 am

I'll go see it on Tuesday (tonight I'll likely be more concerned about the election results). I expect it will be an interesting film.

PS. For those concerned about liberal propaganda, is that better or worse than conservative propaganda? e.g. Coulter, O'Reilly, etc.
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Postby Twilly Spree » Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:41 am

I'm seeing it tonight. I'll report back.

Good point by the way Tech.
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Postby Stephen » Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:12 am

"PS. For those concerned about liberal propaganda, is that better or worse than conservative propaganda? e.g. Coulter, O'Reilly, etc."


Was I advocating watching those or going to see a right wing extremist movie? Your lucky were letting a clearly Bush-bashing film thread stay open....so if people don't have the nicest things to say about the film deal with it. If things get any worse I will probably lock the thread anyway. I get so sick of people acting this way on CAA. Everything has to be a freaken debate.
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Postby Vyse » Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:29 am

Shatterheart wrote:"PS. For those concerned about liberal propaganda, is that better or worse than conservative propaganda? e.g. Coulter, O'Reilly, etc."


Was I advocating watching those or going to see a right wing extremist movie? Your lucky were letting a clearly Bush-bashing film thread stay open....so if people don't have the nicest things to say about the film deal with it. If things get any worse I will probably lock the thread anyway. I get so sick of people acting this way on CAA. Everything has to be a freaken debate.



Honestly Shatterheart... I would agree with a lock, its taking everything I have not to blow up at this thread.... I didn't come to CAA to read about movies that bash our President, I came for fellowship, not hatred.
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Postby Stephen » Mon Jun 28, 2004 10:59 am

Wow, this is a fun website to read.


http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/

This is another interesting website.

http://www.michaelmoorehatesamerica.com/


Now be sure to read the stuff there before you freak out leftists ok?
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Postby Twilly Spree » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:07 am

You know Shatterheart I've had it. Essentially you're promoting the right wing on this supposed "non-partisan" site....and you're a mod! Does this seem hypocritcal to you? Someone brings up the film, instead of saying "oh I'm not going to see it" you bring it to an entirely different level. Have you seen it? Obviously not, so to sit here and make blind judgement? Brilliant really. If you want this to be a conservative site, advertise it as one. Don't pretend to be non-partisan when you're not.
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Postby Twilly Spree » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:08 am

Vyse, Shatterheart can say hateful things about Moore but not Bush? Does that seem like a double standard to you.
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Postby Stephen » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:11 am

Oh I am sorry, this thread was left wing only. I must have missed that sign on the door. Did you read anything on those sites? Or in your blind anger that someone does not agree with you...you simply ignored them. Because I do not want to line to pocket of an extremist who uses lies to further his cause...do not play me as the wrong party. Try looking at things from more then one POV once in a while.



Edit:At what point did I say hateful things about Moore? My first post stated he was ignorant...which if you read most of what he says you would see is correct. Honostly read the bowling for truth site. You might be suprised.
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Postby Vyse » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:15 am

Twilly Spree wrote:Vyse, Shatterheart can say hateful things about Moore but not Bush? Does that seem like a double standard to you.


I really really don't want to get into this here, PM me if you want, I still stand by what I said by this thread being closed, I mean after all, saying "Ooh contraversy!" in a title shows the intent that the user wished for contraversy to be created, and thats what they got, borderline trolling if you ask me.
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Postby Stephen » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:17 am

Know what, Twilly...so nobody can say you did not get to say your peace go ahead and post. After that I will lock this thread. I am done dealing with people who love to state an opinion but get edgy when someone states there own.
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Postby Twilly Spree » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:23 am

See this is funny you didn't say anything about the SITE policies that says no partisanship. You seemed to ignore that Shatterheart. Hmm I dunno why.
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Postby Twilly Spree » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:24 am

I've read those site, they're quite funny. I see no real proof that Moore is any less credible than those sites themselves.
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Postby Twilly Spree » Mon Jun 28, 2004 11:28 am

And another thing, have checked the sourcing on Moore yourself?

Again you havn't seen the movie, don't make assumptions on something you've never seen.
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