A Romantic Story, for those who have asked

[true_noir_chloe]

Sorry, Ruroken, you've corrected me correctly. *huh, nervous laughter*

When I wrote everyone deserves forgiveness I meant they deserve a second chance from "us" other unworthy sinners. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. The fact Christ died for us and why I said that, was because Christ wouldn't have needed to come if we were all perfect. No, He came because we needed saving because we're all in the same unworthy, sinful boat. Of which, I know you understand this basic premise. I, unfortunately used the word, "deserve" rather than "need."

Now, if I reworded what I said it would be: everyone deserves forgiveness by the rest of us, because we're no better; otherwise, Christ wouldn't have needed to come if we didn't need forgiveness.

However, I again sense a bit of anger toward humanity from you Ruroken. God didn't come to show us up, He came because He wants a relationship with us wretched beings. It's not because He needs a relationship with us, it's because he desires to love us and have us love Him. It's never been a question of need, it's been a question of his desire for His creation. When you're a Jesus freak it's not because you're on the outskirts of humanity looking in at all the ugliness and repulsed by it, it's because you're on the outskirts of humanity because of Whom you know and His desires should be your desires. If we want a mind like Christ, we need to care about this wretched world that we're part of. Whether we like it or not, we're here and we're a light in this dark world.

I'm being pretty up front with you and I'll pm you next time, but I really want everyone to know something that's really bothering me. There's so much anger from so many young people. Why? Why so much anger for this lost world? I've heard so much anger from these young Christians, and I wonder why is everyone so ready to strap on the battle gear and fight the world? I keep reading these demon and angel war stories and I read how there's a constant battle. Yes, that's a given, since the beginning of sin entering our world, this has been going on. What has changed so recently that everyone is so angry at the world? Christ came not to judge the world, the law did that, Christ came to save the world. I think we need to get back to that truth.

There's my two cents and my rant for the day. Although, I can't promise I won't rant again.

[Michael]

I'm with Ruroken.

[Shao Feng-Li]

*Executes a stage bow*

hmm i guess i was rather blunt...then again im not to happy either... considering what my family has gone through *shiver*(if you wan to know you can PM me, if you want to really understand my anger) And the state that our contry is in would make Gorge Washington turn in his grave, abortion is legalized, soddemy runs free...its simply disgusting... but i dont hate the world i want to fix it..but only God can. THe anger is at all the sin... and seems like sin is taking over but the Christians are winning this war...and we will when until Christ returns... wich wont be anytime soon...
who knows america could become the most Godless country ever for a time... but God's peace and government will never end so says the Bible... all we can is pray...

[uc pseudonym]

I agree with much of what true_noir_chloe said. An abriged commentary:

If we want a mind like Christ, we need to care about this wretched world that we're part of. Whether we like it or not, we're here and we're a light in this dark world.

Hear hear. Too often we seem to forget where Jesus spent His time on this earth.

...but I really want everyone to know something that's really bothering me. There's so much anger from so many young people. Why? Why so much anger for this lost world? I've heard so much anger from these young Christians, and I wonder why is everyone so ready to strap on the battle gear and fight the world?

I understand what you are saying, and indeed, I identify with said anger (recently I noticed that much of my fanfiction all has the common theme of man being evil. I'm going to chaulk that up to a concept of this fallen world, not imbalance).

However, I'd like to make a distinction that applies to me, though I cannot speak for others: there's a difference between being angry with the world and being angry with the people in this world. Sure, we love the people... but we should hate the system they are trapped within [Matrix-esque...]. In the world, not of the world.

I keep reading these demon and angel war stories and I read how there's a constant battle. Yes, that's a given, since the beginning of sin entering our world, this has been going on. What has changed so recently that everyone is so angry at the world? Christ came not to judge the world, the law did that, Christ came to save the world.

Amen to the part about this constant battle (thinking of anyone?) but I'd like to raise a possible objection to the second part.

One emphasis I see very strongly in the Bible is that Christ is returning to judge the world. Actually, it's more personal than that- he came to judge people. At this point, I really don't feel I need to continue. There's too much possibility for a misunderstanding (blast semantics).

[true_noir_chloe]

>>Christ is returning to judge the world<<uc

Yes, I agree. But, I was commenting on why He came in the first place, not what He'll be doing when He returns. I believe the scripture John 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world should be saved through Him." This is the scripture I was referring to when I made that comment. I believe there is more in the book of Romans regarding this, but I won't paste it here for now, since the above scripture was the one running through my head when I wrote this. And again, thanks UC for clearing things up.

Ruroken, I would like to say I'm sorry for you being the scapegoat of my venting. You are a wonderfully inspiring young lady and I apologize for any offense I've caused you. You are right on at so many levels.

[Shao Feng-Li]

No offense taken...WE ALL still need to learn...

[Michael]

The biggest problem I see is that there are no fathers anymore. Kids grow up without a father and become wimps because they never had a man to guide and direct them. It'd be a great discouragement for pre-marital sex if the girl knew that dad would be very unhappy and the guy knew he'd get the crap beat out of him if anything was done.

More/better fathers = less pre-marital sex.

[Shao Feng-Li]

for some reason that sounds very funny but i know you're dead serious... and i agree mike

[uc pseudonym]

Hmm... so fathers = world's problems solved.

In all seriousness, this thread has drifted off topic somewhat. We were being off topic and productive before, but now we're drifting further away. Let's go back to the topic or stop talking.

[true_noir_chloe]

I was thinking the same thing, UC. Thanks. ^_^

[Keito-chan]

My youth leader once told me "we are gods princess's and princes, And god will only give a prince to a princess via versa" It means god will only give you his best, if we are his best for him. Its always stuck with me. Your story is amazing i share the same views you have on the "bikini rule" but we call it "don't touch what you don't have" I hope I can find the man god wants me to be with one day as nice a story as yours is ^_^

[true_noir_chloe]

I hope so too, Keito-chan. ^_^ What church do you go to, if you don't mind me asking?

[Keito-chan]

I go to a church in bristol (uk) called kingsway church its Pentecostal. ^.^ if that helps? What church do you go to?

[Kisa]

Wow, great testimony. Even more respect for you now! It is true that God has a plan for each of us and He will reveal it in His time. I totally agree with you especially on the "bikini rule" thing. If the guy respects you it wouldn't be an issue anyway. Your'e awesome! ^_^

[true_noir_chloe]

Keito-chan, I happen to go to Fellowship Bible.

Thanks Belldandy, you're being very sweet. ^_^ *hugs*

[Mineko]

Hey Chloe! Thanks for sharing. That is an amazing story of God's grace in every part of our lives. I love love stories. *happy sigh*

[ice122985]

just wanted to say that it is a blessing to see that there are others out there who are looking foward to a holy and pure marriage. some funny things though- can't say i've ever heard of the bikini rule, but i agree with ruroken's definintion better.

[true_noir_chloe]

>but i agree with ruroken's definintion better<

I'm honestly glad to hear that.

[Saint Kevin]

Sorry to dig this thread up three weeks after the last post, but I have to say that your stoty is a story I need to hear every once in a while. Being single sometimes it is easy to think that you may never get married, or that purity doesn't exist anymore, or that chivalry/chastity is dead, etc. This is encouraging to me.
Also I have a thought into the anger that you see in the young people today. We are immersed in the separation of church and sate, pro-abotion pro-life, etc. etc. culture wars that tend to discourage us, and sometimes even harden our hearts. Many times it is much easier to take a combative stance than a loving one.
We forget that the word of God is a two-edged sword, condemning us just as much as it condemns the rest of the world. My pastor said a while ago that if our hearts should not just be breaking for the sin of the world, but our sin as well.

I have to plead guilty myself to taking the easy route of a combative stance rather than a loving and understanding one. I think many of today's youth do have a tougher time without godly parents and institutions, but what we really need is a big dose of healthy introspection for ourselves (which is very hard in this day and age with TV, internet, etc., etc.).

Also, and I can't say this enough, what the young Christians need these days are mature Christian mentors, leaders, teachers, and others to come along side of us and truly show us the love of Christ by giving of themselves. Small things, like playing sports with us, or inviting to dinner/coffee/church/bible study etc. could be just what we need. We need godly Christians to emulate, and without that, we will easily become misguided in our efforts, or lose focus.

Reading this now makes me realize how much I need this, and how much kids younger than me need this. Maybe I'll get involved in the youth ministry at my church. I'll pray about it. Pray for me, pray for us, the young Christians who are often like sheep without a shepherd. Thank you.

[true_noir_chloe]

>>Reading this now makes me realize how much I need this, and how much kids younger than me need this. Maybe I'll get involved in the youth ministry at my church. I'll pray about it. Pray for me, pray for us, the young Christians who are often like sheep without a shepherd. Thank you.<<

I'll pray for you and I totally agree. Believers who have walked in the faith and are a bit more mature need to be cautious how they act and what they say to the younger believers, who are young either by age, or by their Christian walk. Rev. doc wrote a Bible Study re: this in the B.S. thread titled, "Legacy...."

I'm glad this pushed you in the direction to work with the youth in your church. I'm really thankful if the Lord uses this to convict young people to stay both pure and also to maintain a healthy heart for God. He is always with us. And, He is always concerned with us. I hope kids realize this in this day and age. In this age of "grace," that He is wanting us to draw close to Him because He loves us and has our best in mind.

[Saint Kevin]

One of my biggest problems with going forward with this is that I fear I may not be mature enough, or dedicated enough to take on a role like this. Teachers, and other Christian role models, will be held to a higher standard. Not only that, but I have heard of many cases where youth ministers lose their resolve and burn out, because the kids are so needy, and they cannot handle it anymore. I don't want to break kids hearts or leave them disillusioned if that should happen to me. I don't know what I will do, pray for me that I get clear direction on this. Thanks Chloe.

[true_noir_chloe]

I will ^_^

[Inferno]

That story was very touching.

And very Romantic too. Thanks for sharing t_n_c

[true_noir_chloe]

Wow, this is still being read? I"m glad you liked it, Inferno. ^_^

[Aka-chan]

I just found it 'cause you posted the link in that other thread (the one where the girl wanted a bf and wasn't sure how to deal with it...)

Anyway, that's a really cool story. I think the best romances are the pure ones, ne? And it's even better 'cause it's true (which just goes to show such relationships are possible, contrary to a lot of my peers' opinions.) I'm one who wants to save even my first kiss for the altar, so this is a real encouragement. Thanks! ^___^

[true_noir_chloe]

Hey, my son's fellow nightly crew came by. ^_^ LOL Hi Aka-chan and anonymous! I'm glad you found this and enjoyed reading it. Yes, Elric_kun and chibi_chan are the offspring of this romance that continues.

Thanks for reading it guys, and I hope you the best in your dating lives and future husbands. ~-^

[Spirit_Wolf8356]

That was an amazing story, Chloe! ^_^ It was very nice to hear, since I personally have been thinking about a husband or even a boyfriend, and the fact that there isn't even any prospects right now. Thank you for sharing that. This will help me keep patient for awhile. ^_^

[Ducky]

Awesome story.... thanks for sharing it. I love hearing about how married people met and stuff. Especially when its Christians and the like. Anyway, thanks for the story.

[true_noir_chloe]

Hey Spirit_Wolf and Ducky glad you enjoyed the story. I hope you are very blessed in your lives and one day will meet the man of your dreams, Lord willing and Lord given. ^___^

[Yeito]

I'm.. *sniff* I'm...so... *sniff* I'm so touched! Oh.. It's so beautiful... *sniff* *hugs truenoir* *sniff* Oh.. I'm so happy. I'm going to cry myself to sleep... ;-; *sniff*

It's so inspirational. I'm going to do my best to save myself, and even if God's plan isn't for me to get married, then I'll die a virgin! ::determined stance:: *waves splash up behind yeito out of nowhere*

Oh.. I have all these thoughts running through my head, but I'm not sure how to say them. Or if I should. I've been trying to be so optimistic and trusting God for so long. And it's helping. My family and I have had it a little bit tough too. Probably not as bad as most people, but still. It's been rather hard. I'm so lucky to have Christ. People always tell me I'm the happy/cheerful/goofy one. And that I'm too Christian. I'm just like... "I don't think there's such a thing a 'too' Christian. *smile* "

I think that maybe some things are starting to take their toll. I've been very tired lately. I asked my doctor, but she said it was normal for people my age. ^-^ So.. I'll just trust God and hope He leads me down the path He wants me to take. ^-^

I'm very happy for you. And I'm honestly truly touched. Thank you so much for sharing your story, and I thank God for letting you have such a happy... good jolly thing as this. ^-^ (sorry.. too much sugar. xD)

Yeito