yet another satanic metal band

[Righteousss]

My friends talk about the band Lamb of God and how cool they are and all. I was just curious and thought they were a christian band and I look em up and ugh! Why would some one use that holy/biblical term as a band name of theirs when their influence is of darkness. I mean c'mon!! Song: Walk with me in hell by Lamb of God? This really bothers me.

[Tommy]

Lamb of God is a terrible sounding band anyways.

They're trying to be like every other band that is against Christianity and think of a bad name that mocks us.

Seriously, don't bother listening to them and/or find cooler friends.

[GrubbTheFragger]

I actually like lamb of god. They are just pure metal. They have some anti God song yes but they aren't nearly as bad as say Cradle of Filth, Behmoth, or Dimmu Borgir. and honestly like Teelay said just don't bother listening to them if they offend you. Show your friends August Burns Red a good christian band that sounds almost the same.

[uc pseudonym]

I don't usually post in music threads, but for odd reasons I actually read an interview with the band in question. As far as I recall, they chose the name purely because they thought it sounded cool, without religious significance either way.

[The Liar XIII]

Lamb of God is an amazing band.
I'm into Death Metal anyways with all the crazy screaming and stuff. When you listen to Six Feet Under, you get used to the vocals... It just grows on you.
Just take a listen to their song "Pathetic", it's one of their best.

[Tommy]

I do choose not to listen to them.

Pure Metal? They're "Groove Metal."
If you like it, that's fine for you.

August Burns Red sounds absolutely nothing like Lamb of God.

ABR is a techy, fast-paced Metalcore band.
LoG is a slow-paced, groove metal band.

[GrubbTheFragger]

I do choose not to listen to them.

Pure Metal? They're "Groove Metal."
If you like it, that's fine for you.

August Burns Red sounds absolutely nothing like Lamb of God.

ABR is a techy, fast-paced Metalcore band.
LoG is a slow-paced, groove metal band.

Tom What are you talking about Groove metal. LoG is straight metal no groove to it. XD As far as there new album goes its not slow at all. Its not alot alike ABR i was just using them as a example of what a typical LoG listener would be attracted too,

[Tommy]

No, they are Groove Metal.
Listen to "Redneck" and then listen to new Throwdown which is also Groove Metal.

They call themselves "Pure American Metal" but I was in a band awhile ago that called itself Grindcore when all we really were was Metalcore with breeing.
They can call themselves whatever they want.

[Tenshi no Ai]

Wow, it seems like every time I stick my head into one of these topics, it turns into some music sub genre debate... Honestly >_>....

[GrubbTheFragger]

Wow, it seems like every time I stick my head into one of these topics, it turns into some music sub genre debate... Honestly >_>....

Yeah I didn't mean for it to be. Tom I guess i don't understand what groove metal really is *shurgs* They are just straight metal IMO i don't care if someone else labels them as pop XD. So lets just agree to disagree ok XD

[Radical Dreamer]

Wow, it seems like every time I stick my head into one of these topics, it turns into some music sub genre debate... Honestly >_>....

Truth. Try to tone down the genre elitism, guys. It gets old for the rest of us pretty quickly. XD

[Kkun]

It's because guys who listen to heavy music are brimming with testosterone and have to assert their dominance as alpha male. Fact.

*I only bring this up because I often fall prey to it myself.

[RobinSena]

It's because guys who listen to heavy music are brimming with testosterone and have to assert their dominance as alpha male. Fact.

Not all guys who listen to heavy metal are like that. =P

I don't really care for Lamb of God musically. It just seems that the instruments just don't flow right with the vocals.

[Tommy]

Lamb of God isn't Satanic.
They're just your average, profanity-filled band that has questionable content in their lyrics.

Satanic bands are pretty much what Grub brought up.
Dimmu Borgir, Cradle of Filth, Mayhem, Vital Remains, ect.

As for the little subgenre debate, I suppose it should just be dropped since it's kinda irrelevant.

[Kkun]

Not all guys who listen to heavy metal are like that. =P

I didn't say all, but I've met enough who ARE for me to generalize!

[RobinSena]

It's because guys who listen to heavy music are brimming with testosterone and have to assert their dominance as alpha male. Generalization.

Fixed.

[Kkun]

[quote="ChurchPunk (post: 1194062)"]Fixed. ]

Methinks thou doth protest too much...

but hey, whatever! I'm just saying, like 90% of the hard music fans I know who are guys are contentious and like to be right about silly things like genre specifics.

[Tommy]

I don't know a guy who isn't like that.
So as I was saying:
Lamb of God=Groove Metal. =D

[RobinSena]

Methinks thou doth protest too much...

but hey, whatever! I'm just saying, like 90% of the hard music fans I know who are guys are contentious and like to be right about silly things like genre specifics.

Yeah, you're definitely right that a lot of them do. =)

[Eric]

Lamb of God is not even remotely Satanic; also, stuff like Dimmu Borgir, Deicide, etc. all have very childish views of Satanism (or are just hating on Christians to attempt to be cool/metal/rebellious, essentially) and either need to drop the act or grow up. These bands, however, are all quite serious about their ideologies:


Deathspell Omega
Funeral Mist
Ondskapt
Antaeus
Watain
Glorior Belli
Sargeist
Behexen
and others.

For more information pertaining to this, read Deathspell Omega's insights, particularly these parts: (I am posting this in order to clarify what is actually Satanic.)

Would Deathspell Omega use the word 'orthodox' or 'puritanical' or 'zealot' in relation to their approach to the ideas espoused?

- Things are not as simple. As you know, Deathspell Omega deals with religious, metaphysical stakes, and despite the fact that we do definitely have many of our roots in the monotheistic tradition, and indeed in orthodox or puritanical declensions of this stream, we can not honestly pretend that they are exclusively situated there. Satanism, or Devilworship, is not a revealed religion, like just another monotheistic religion. Or better said, it is a revealed religion, but at this stage, there is no such thing as a Book of Books like the Bible is for the Christian tradition. There's not a single book that would be the ultimate reference, the Bible, for example, is but a small part of our inheritence. Actually, the whole religious literature, from the old Jewish sects to the agnostics, from the St Augustinian approach to christianity to radical Wahhabi pamphlets is only a fragment of what we have to be aware of to finally find the spiritual pearls disseminated here and there for those who have eyes to see. Eventually, this means that traditionalism and certainty aren't standpoints we can defend forever. They are suitable, at times.

One can't help but notice similarities arising within a certain contingency of black metal bands- religious themes and apparent devotion to Him. Can you explain this step beyond the simple anti-Christian sentiments?

- Intellectualy, I'd dare to say a new generation -well, a couple dozen individuals worldwide, more realistically- is ready to break boundaries. Maybe certain individuals here and there have finally the will and understanding to truly materialise Black Metal out of the ashes of what it never fully was? Let me tell you that the real potential of Black Metal hasn't yet been realised. How could it be, when Black Metal nowadays is synonymous with close to no artistic vision but stands exclusively for a carbon copy of a sound, a non- attitude and non-ideas? Don't get me wrong, traditionalism is a valid aspect, but when no alternative to traditionalism is open anymore it is called stagnation, and stagnation equals artistic death. Had a literary movement reached such a rotting point, it'd have been laughed at and dismissed as ridiculous for years from the inside.

That these few visionaries tend to go over banal anti-Christian sentiments isn't that surprising, as banal anti- Christian sentiments are but the manifestation of primitive first-degree rebellion. You know, that phase which about every human goes through when he's a teen? To deny the current cultural and spiritual paradigm is but a logical move, but if there's nothing to happen behind the denial, well, I do not have to point out what kind of intellectual void it implies, do I?

The "orthodox" concept within black metal has been growing now for some time, most strongly in Sweden, yes? Can you also speak of your concepts regarding your "orthodox" embracing of Satan's (His) creed, if you would call it such? What do you hope to achieve by professing a belief, rather than just being in opposition?

- We can't speak on behalf of any Swedish band.

Let me say though that the main implication of the word "orthodox" in this context is a proud statement of the recognition of Satan being of divine essence, of the location of Devilworship on a religious and metaphysical level. The easy escape of using the word ideology instead of confronting oneself with the real challenges only portrays the terribly low level on which the major current of 'Satanism' is crawling.

Professing a belief, or rather describing the different stones that pave the road on the quest that true faith implies, is synonymous with being active, it witnesses of spiritual evolution, of gains and of losses. As we wrote above, denial can't be anything other than a very first step, unless you want to embrace the most primitive nihilism.

On keeping with the "orthodox" theme, which bands would say consider falling in line with this doctrine? I would imagine that many will try to claim legitimacy. How can one truly decipher the real "orthodox" inheritors from those hoping to be and who has the right to say who is serious and who is not? Ironically enough, this idea and set of arguments mirrors the 'righteous' from the 'heretic' in religious debate beginning 2000 years ago.

- In this case it's basically the debate between those who want to enthrone Black Metal as a form of Art (in the noble sense of the word, Art as a key to truly understand dare I say everything. The devil is one of the keys to what is known as l'art total.) and those who want to let it remain as merely another form of entertainment. We despise this second category, immensely and irremediably, that goes without saying.

Actually, you are maybe putting too much emphasis on the word "orthodox" when a serious analysis of what each band has to offer is sufficient, once again, for those who can see. But to answer your question, and remaining within the field of Black Metal exclusively, every band linked to Norma Evangelium Diaboli has something worthy to offer to those who are truly seeking.

Do your beliefs have any influence from Aleister Crowley's works? How about influences from other magickal orders: Church of Satan, Temple of Set, Order of Nine Angels, Sabbatic Traditions, Ophidian/Typhonian Currents, or others?

- Well, not really. Becoming familiar with the writings of some of these orders was a task we accomplished at an early stage, and we gained nothing out of it except a strong feeling of superficiality and disappointment. They mainly show a pathetic lack of general culture, a reinterpretation of facts through a gross, biased and partial manipulation where the conclusion shapes the arguments, instead of the arguments shaping the conclusion (which is a respectable way to work under certain circumstances and an amusing display of rhetorics, but fails completely here). Eventually, they perfectly incarnate the vast difference lying between superstition and metaphysics. Such groups can only originate from the current Zeitgeist and no matter from which ancient (and often imaginary) tradition they pretend to descend, they are barely different from the despicable current new-age paradigm : sensoriality.

And yes, Lamb of God is groove metal, which is another term for post-thrash. Please read up on it before bashing people that actually know what they're talking about. It really annoys me when people who don't have a clue act like they're being victimized when people rightfully correct them, especially when they are not bashing you to begin with. That reeks of disrespect.


*Zeitgeist=the spirit of the age

[Tyrel]

And yes, Lamb of God is groove metal, which is another term for post-thrash. Please read up on it before bashing people that actually know what they're talking about. It really annoys me when people who don't have a clue act like they're being victimized when people rightfully correct them, especially when they are not bashing you to begin with. That reeks of disrespect.

ah.. well.. alright.... in any case, I would like to second the notion that I don't think Lamb of God is a satanic band. I find it funny Christians so loosely use that title to demonize the anti-religious. I listen to Protest the Hero, and All that remains. They have particularly Anti-Christ songs, so to speak. However, they are throwing out ideas and concepts, and arguments, in their lyrics. I no more avoid those than I avoid people who throw out ideas and arguments. I enjoy hearing arguments, and considering them.

However, most importantly, if it bothers you, don't listen to it.

*Zeitgeist=the spirit of the age

Oh, is that what it means? Hmm.. very good. Thank you.

[Eric]

ah.. well.. alright.... in any case, I would like to second the notion that I don't think Lamb of God is a satanic band. I find it funny Christians so loosely use that title to demonize the anti-religious. I listen to Protest the Hero, and All that remains. They have particularly Anti-Christ songs, so to speak. However, they are throwing out ideas and concepts, and arguments, in their lyrics. I no more avoid those than I avoid people who throw out ideas and arguments. I enjoy hearing arguments, and considering them.

However, most importantly, if it bothers you, don't listen to it.

This is exactly the kind of attitude one needs to have when considering what music or other art/entertainment you take part in.

[Tommy]

Thanks, Eric.
Apparently I'm the only one who knows what Groove Metal is. XD

[GrubbTheFragger]

I apologize if i can off like i was bashing Tom or anyone imperticular. I was just stating a oppion. There are really to many "little" metal genres to keep up to date with. So I apologize.

[Eric]

I apologize if i can off like i was bashing Tom or anyone imperticular. I was just stating a oppion. There are really to many "little" metal genres to keep up to date with. So I apologize.

I actually wasn't referring to you. You and ChurchPunk handled things pretty well. Everyone else...not so much....especially Kkun.

[Radical Dreamer]

Okay, I'm going to ask that the genre battle stop right here, before this goes any further. If anyone has anything else to say about the band, go ahead, but this bickering over who's part of what underground sub-sub-genre needs to stop.

[Kkun]

Dear Eric,

Who was playing the role of the victim? Who are the people "who don't have a clue?" Why are you getting upset over what I said when what I said was clearly spoken in jest?

Is it not amusing that this entire thread degenerated into a discussion of genres when the original poster was upset not over whether Lamb of God constituted "groove metal" but rather over the fact that Lamb of God is a secular band using their name? I agree, Lamb of God is not "satanic." However, I think what you've done here by singling me out and getting so upset about this is typically referred to as overkill. Sorry you don't like me! I figured we'd buried the hatchet long ago. I have no problem with you. I was kidding around with what I said about the banal discussion of genres. I couldn't care less with regard to what Lamb of God's genre is called! I think you should go have a nice English breakfast tea with some sugar and milk, read a nice, witty book, and calm down. Not getting upset at me because you don't understand the subtleties of humor (which I must concede are difficult to pick up on via the internet) might even lower your blood pressure!

Have a lovely evening.
xoxo <3<3
-Kkun

[Eric]

It didn't seem like you were joking at all to me. There are tons of people who hate the idea of genre classifications at all. How am I supposed to know you aren't one of them, especially when what you said led me to believe otherwise?

I have nothing against you, and my blood pressure is actually pretty low, thank you very much. I can understand humor perfectly fine, but I detected none in what you said.

[Kkun]

It didn't seem like you were joking at all to me. There are tons of people who hate the idea of genre classifications at all. How am I supposed to know you aren't one of them, especially when what you said led me to believe otherwise?

I have nothing against you, and my blood pressure is actually pretty low, thank you very much. I can understand humor perfectly fine, but I detected none in what you said.

I sort of thought the asterisk with "I often fall prey to it myself" was a dead give away. I wouldn't talk like that if I were genuinely aggravated. While I think genre classifications are often silly, it isn't worth getting worked up over; I think what this thread has slipped into is even sillier. ChurchPunk knew I was kidding around, and he and I have already talked about this. I think most people knew I was kidding around. Sorry you didn't see the humor in the way I pointed it out. I thought that what I said was pretty tame, actually. Sorry, then!

[Stephen]

Only one thing can save this thread now.