Is FFX-2 okay for Christians?

[Vyse]

Yeah.. I'll admit I'm a big FF fan, but one of the things that really bothered me was the lack of modesty in the clothing for FFX-2, while I haven't played the game, I have seen screen shots and it looks like the charater designs were a fan service, I guess my question is if this game has any redeeming qualities?

[Bobtheduck]

I just played the demo, and it certainly seemed like pure fanservice to me... I can't really say, as I haven't played the real game, but I'm not all that thrilled about it... (that, and the demo was incredibly easy, so I'm wondering if the game is like that too)

I think it's not the fanservice that bugged me the most, but the whole "Yuna's not listening to the Yevon religion. No one is going to tell her how to think." thing...

It's pretty easy to form a prediction on where THAT logic will lead.

Another thing I don't like is the "create your own story" aspect of it... It sucked in "Legend of Mana" so I don't see it being any better in this... I was interested in it from the Prologue, but after the end of the prologue, to what I saw in the actual game, it doesn't look like it will really answer my questions.

[Mithrandir]

Hmm. I don't think I saw TOO much fan service in the game. I've only got past the first 2 missions, though, as I can't read the kanji yet. (Yeah, I'm playing it in japanese). The real person to ask for a complete review would probably be the gypper.

As for "OK for Christians?", that's a rather broad statement... O.o# Be sure to keep the conversation friendly, everyone.

[Vyse]

Hmm. I don't think I saw TOO much fan service in the game. I've only got past the first 2 missions, though, as I can't read the kanji yet. (Yeah, I'm playing it in japanese). The real person to ask for a complete review would probably be the gypper.

As for "OK for Christians?", that's a rather broad statement... O.o# Be sure to keep the conversation friendly, everyone.

I wasn't trying to be unfriendly, in fact I was hoping to go to a Christian forums to find people that have to same moral values that I do and wouldn't critize me for asking such questions.

[DrNic]

Yeah.. I'll admit I'm a big FF fan, but one of the things that really bothered me was the lack of modesty in the clothing for FFX-2, while I haven't played the game, I have seen screen shots and it looks like the charater designs were a fan service, I guess my question is if this game has any redeeming qualities?

I am a heavy rock fanatic. Yuna sings pop music. Didn't like FFX. Nuff said.

*waits in front of his gamecube for Crystal Chronicals to come out*

[madphilb]

I wasn't trying to be unfriendly, in fact I was hoping to go to a Christian forums to find people that have to same moral values that I do and wouldn't critize me for asking such questions.

The "unfriendly" comment wasn't directed at you.... you'll find real quick that there is a broad range of opinion of "what is acceptable" depending on the person's background, personal convictions, etc.

Because of this sort of thing conversations have gotten rather spirited over issues that not everyone agress on.

As an example.... there are those on here that wouldn't play FF-X2 because it has a "magic system," and others will see nothing wrong with it. From each person's perspective their answer is right.

Just relax... iz all good!

[MasterDias]

I don't see anything wrong with it, really. Yes, some of the outfits are fairly skimpy but that's basically about the extent of the fanservice.

It was a good game although I think I enjoyed the first one more.

[Gypsy]

Yeah, what the Shining Swordsman said. I thought it was a fun game myself (I loved the class system) and some of the outfits are low, high, etc. However, I couldn't help missing FFX while I played through it (maybe it had something to do with using the exact same environment ... hmm).

[Bobtheduck]

I don't see anything wrong with it, really. Yes, some of the outfits are fairly skimpy but that's basically about the extent of the fanservice.

I think playing as just girls that get to change into all sorts of unnecissarily skimpy clothes and tends to show them at weird angles and added a little more "bounce to their step" than the previous game had, classifies as fanservice. I'm not saying "evil", just saying that it IS fanservice. The very fact they made a sequal at all to a final fantasy seems like fanservice (of the nonsexual nature) to me. As I said, I can't really make any comment on the full game, only on the demo. I was really interested in it from the "Eternal Calm" video, but the playable demo left me wanting... Wanting a (p)lot. The whole "Make your own story" thing just doesn't sit too well with me. I wanted to see more about [spoiler]wakka and lulu, and their on-the-way baby[/spoiler] and a couple other points brought up in the video.

The fight with that one woman and her fat and skinny bodyguards was too much like Chrono Cross, only incredibly easy (even the first battle with Solt and Peppor was somewhat of a challenge... You couldn't get through it by rapid firing the attack button...) I really got lost before I saw the map... i guess it was just in a different part of the screen, or it was hidden before because I never saw it until I had battled like 30 enemies looking for the entrance to that building on the top of the mountain... Once I found it, it was the opposite problem... Instead of being too hard to find my way, it was too easy... I know I'm complaining a lot about a little, but this game just really doesn't do it for me. Even though I liked FFX better than FFVII, I'm much more looking forward to "Advent Children" than giving the full version of "X-2" for a spin.

And no one could convince me that the costumes are ANYTHING but fanservice... Well, ok, a couple of them weren't that bad... I like 7 and 8 style costumes. Aeris was ultra conservative, Tifa was simple, Yuffie wasn't bad, Rinoa's suit was great... Yuna's from X was good, but they tried to act as if the skimpier clothes were normal "She is going through a change in her life, and dressing less is part of that change" Bah...

I'll probably still have to play and beat it... I mean, It's almost an obligation... I'll just be doing it AFTER a lot of other things.

PS. In refference to my "sequal=fanservice" thing, yes I think Advent Children is mild NS fanservice. I'll deal with it as long as they don't resurrect you-know-who. That would be too much fanservice for me...

As for how I could recommend Onegai Teacher (cautiously) but got miffed about this one? Well, I had played FFX first. I thought I knew what to expect, and expected a certain level of something in X-2. I did not have those expectations when I started Onegai Teacher. The Final Fantasy team had a decent story without this stuff, but felt the need to add it to hook people for the sequal. That's total pandering. Of course, that's what all fanservice is... I don't know... I guess I'm only complaining about the clothes because I was dissapointed with other aspects of the game. The fanservice wasn't that bad, but they didn't need to up it to get people to play, in my opinion. They should have kept the same type of atmosphere that was in FFX.

I was just upset because I was disappointed by the demo, so I probably overreacted.

[MasterDias]

I haven't played Legend of Mana so I don't know how that relates but I don't think you have the right idea. FF X-2 is not "Make your own story." There is still a main story flow although it's not as linear as FFX.

You have story missions that you have to do and you have plenty of optional missions that you can do.
There are really only two things that are changed depending on certain factors.

[spoiler]Yuna must choose whether to aid one of two groups, either The Youth League or New Yevon, in Chapter 2 of the game. The other group isn't going to like you for most of the game depending on who you pick.

There are 3 endings(well, 4 if you include the Bad ending); Normal, Good, and Perfect endings. The last two are basically extensions of the Normal ending. You get the different endings depending on if you got 100% completion and if you did a few certain things during the game.

As for Wakka and Lulu, well, you go to Beseid to see them not too long after that mission you did and Lulu does give birth later on in the game.[/spoiler]

I was interested in it from the Prologue, but after the end of the prologue, to what I saw in the actual game, it doesn't look like it will really answer my questions.

What questions exactly did you have?

[Zilch]

My personal belief(not that I'm going to play the game, I won't lose that many brain cells in such a short amount of time) is that the game wasn't meant to be fanservicey, but more to appeal to the growing female RPG crowd. If you look at most RPG main chars, they're big, bulky, and...well...male. That's just my opinion...

Not that I agree with the skimpy clothing AT ALL. That's still stupid...and always will be. And on the female fan note? Notice the all-female party? Hint, hint. (brain cells fry at the thought of it)

[Bobtheduck]

I am a heavy rock fanatic. Yuna sings pop music. Didn't like FFX. Nuff said.

*waits in front of his gamecube for Crystal Chronicals to come out*

Am I to assume you loved the Song at the blitzball/last battle in X, then? I liked it until I read the lyrics...

[button=off topic]has anyone seen the animutation **let the bodies hit the flo**?[/button]

[Savior_Sora]

Personally...I don't see one problem with it. I think the game is very good and fun. I've played through it..........4 times and it's still very fun . The clothes don't bother me. You don't really see them in their original dresses except when they;re all talking. So I don't really notice it. I look at it and I see another great FF so nothing is really bothering me about it. I think (no offense) that people are blowing it out of proportion. All the people that I know that have criticized it haven't ever played it. So to me that's just not right. It's not right to judge what you haven't experienced...Oh well...Sorry I'm just in a bad mood tonight......

[Da Rabid Duckie]

I think (no offense) that people are blowing it out of proportion. All the people that I know that have criticized it haven't ever played it. So to me that's just not right. It's not right to judge what you haven't experienced...Oh well...Sorry I'm just in a bad mood tonight......

No offense taken! That said, please excuse me for making a potentially inflammatory comment, but your argument would be much stronger if it weren't for the fallacy that I "have to read/view/experience something to be able to classify it as right/wrong". That simply isn't true if I have the means to do adequate research on it without engaging it directly. The point is this though: Do I have to go watch a porn movie to know it is wrong? I'm not stating in any way that FFX-2 is "morally wrong", nor am I classifying it as porn. However anyone skilled in debate or public speaking (the latter for me, I was a forensic speech major in college) would tear your case to shreds based on that one "mistake". Do excuse me for being critical, I'm just trying to make a friendly suggestion. ^_^

Anyway, to keep it on topic, I have my own personal issues with magic in games that would keep me from playing it. However, regardless of that the issues of the dress of the ladies would prevent me as well. I don't handle women in skimpy clothing well, and after browsing through the strategy guide I realized it'd be a huge stumbling block to me. So that's why I'm avoiding it.

[Savior_Sora]

That makes sense...Sorry if I offend anyone. I just get mad when people talk bad about a good game. I see your point Rabid Duckie. Maybe it's me taking it out of proportion

[skynes]

My opinion on magic within games is this

If it does not use satanic symbols (pentagrams and all)
if it doesn't use rituals
if it doesn't teach how to do magic
if it doesn't inspire interest to learn magic for real


Then I'm ok with it.

That's just me though. It won't apply to everyone. Some ppl will be edgey about the mere mention of magic.

I think it's a matter of personal conviction. If games containing magical elements troubles you - DON'T PLAY IT!

[DrNic]

Am I to assume you loved the Song at the blitzball/last battle in X, then? I liked it until I read the lyrics...

Never got that far. Owned FFX for a week and sold it. Never played it since. But from that strange button you added to your last reply (how did you do that???) I'm guessing that the song was 'Bodies' by 'Drowning Pool'. Kool, I didn't know that song was on FFX. At least thats one good point.

BTW, I heard that on FFX-2 the characters all compair breast size at one point. This was according to a reliable friend. Never played it but it made me laugh when he told me. Just warning you of the sorta humor on this game folks. (This coulda been a one off though).

Oh, and I changed my mind, there is now more chance of me buying FFX-2 than FFCC. Reasons? Because FFCC was intended for multiplay with a gameboy advanced. I dont have a gameboy advanced and dont intend to buy one just for one game.

Thank you for reading this loooooooooooong and borin post...

[Bobtheduck]

No... It was just in the same style as that song. The song is called "Otherworld" and was written exclusively for FFX.

The song happens like in the first 10 minutes of the game, so the only way you'd miss it is if you took one look at it and dropped it. Any actual gameplay would have caused you to run across the song.

As for comparing breast sizes... I've known too many girls (christian girls) that did that... Even if a girl coming here may claim not to, it is a common and normal thing for girls to do... Sorta like guys comparing biceps (in other words, it's not as out there as it sounds... I don't plan on getting graphic, but it's not the same as THAT)

Those sorts of things are usually private among girls, but when you live in a mixed group for 7 months at a time, you hear those sorts of things... The same could be said for having more than one sister. You eventually hear those sorts of things in normal life.

It is good to warn people, though.

[DrNic]

Those sorts of things are usually private among girls

Thats what I mean, its just a bit...strange to just have it placed there randomly in the middle of the game. The FF titles have a habit of doing that. (Hey and don't assume I don't know what girls are like, I have a 14 year old sister who hangs around with her mates and they are always acting wierd and doing things like that...)

[Savior_Sora]

I've got 100% and I don't recall ever hearing anything like that...Maybe I just didn't notice it?

[Bobtheduck]

What I was saying is just as we're privey to many other private aspects of these character's lives, something like that wouldn't be strange, especially since it isn't considered dirty to talk about that in Japan.

[skynes]

speaking of Final Fantasy. Has anyone ever read 8 bit theater?

[DrNic]

, especially since it isn't considered dirty to talk about that in Japan.

Really? I didn't know that. I was just saying anyway, not complaining, after all, this thread is called "Is FFX-2 okay for christians?". Although this sorta thing doesn't bother me (FF7 and 9 both had odd bits like this) it might bother others so I was just pointing it out. I might get FFX-2 actually (I didn't like the sphere grid thing but from what I've heard its back to level-ups), but I'm waiting for PSO C.A.R.D. Revelution at the mo!

[MasterDias]

BTW, I heard that on FFX-2 the characters all compair breast size at one point. This was according to a reliable friend. Never played it but it made me laugh when he told me. Just warning you of the sorta humor on this game folks. (This coulda been a one off though).

There is a hot spring scene where they do something like that. However, the dialogue is so vague that it would go straight over your head if you weren't listening to it closely.

[Bobtheduck]

PSO C.A.R.D

Another Phantasy Star Online game? Oi...

[Zilch]

...ahem...I believe this is a gaming thread...please...use PM's for the sake of younger members...