Death Note Anime

[eye776]

ok... sorry (I'm condemnig sick anime and yet I swear, attaboy A truly Model Christian, NOT:D )

@ Mr. SmartyPants : He SEES the death god, he doesn't believe in him. Knowing is NOT believing.
A lot of atheists believe in God in the way that they realize there's a "force" above us all since not even bleeding edge science can explain certain things.
As a matter of fact by accepting the notion of "infinitum" science is submitting to God's will.

[GrubbTheFragger]

EDIT; already stated info

[Mr. SmartyPants]

@ Mr. SmartyPants : He SEES the death god, he doesn't believe in him. Knowing is NOT believing.
A lot of atheists believe in God in the way that they realize there's a "force" above us all since not even bleeding edge science can explain certain things.
As a matter of fact by accepting the notion of "infinitum" science is submitting to God's will.

I would have to disagree with your logic. But I don't wish to derail the thread, so I'll leave it at that.

[Radical Dreamer]

ok... sorry (I'm condemnig sick anime and yet I swear, attaboy A truly Model Christian, NOT:D )

I don't think that's the point. The point is that swearing is not allowed on CAA. Talking about Death Note is, however. Anyways, this is getting off-topic.

[Tommy]

I just got into the manga which I'm assuming has the same plot as the anime.

The plot flows very well and the characters are interesting. Can't say I agree with the main character's (not the good guy, of course) out look on things such as "Cleaning up the Earth." That makes him like a juvenille Hitler.

I will keep reading though. It's very interesting. May I use this oportunity to ask which you find handles the plot better, the manga or anime?

[uc pseudonym]

There are a fair number of people who didn't seem to understand that Light was the villain for a good bit of the manga. I presumed that from the first chapter; it was what made me interested in the first place. The fact that so many people, even Christians, agree with some of the tamer tenants of Light's philosophy disturbs me slightly though it isn't unexpected.

Existentialist quite possibly. But an Atheist? The fact that he believes in the shinigami means he's anything BUT Atheist. Maybe you meant not Christian. (Or not <insert moral religion here>)

Actually, I agree with him. The shinigami are more an added part of the natural world than something spiritual (and they have no religious qualities). Given Light's general outlook and especially the ending of the series, I would say it isn't so far off the mark to call him an atheist.

You could also present that argument from the premise that a-theist simply means lack of belief in God, not a lack of religion. Given that Light wants to become "god" and never indicates there is one currently, it could be argued he doesn't believe in one. Not that it particularly matters to the series.

I just got into the manga which I'm assuming has the same plot as the anime.

So far it has been very much the same as far as I know, but others who watch more seriously will have to answer which they like better.

[Kawaiikneko]

I liked parts of episode 9 and disliked other parts.. let's see....

[spoiler]The part where Light turns around and sees L behind him in the test taking was done great. The opening ceremony was great... L reading fast and memorizing the speech was funny. Then it got to one of my favorite scenes in the manga where Light pounds the desk and yells.... and it just didn't seem to flow well coming out of that inner dialogue that happened earlier when L and Light were sitting in the ceremony. The conversion from angry and frustrated to confident and laughing wasn't very smooth in my opinion. Eh, I can't particularly say I loved Light's laugh either, but you win some you lose some. Good ep overall =] [/spoiler]

On the topic of manga - anime... both are great. The anime is following the manga nicely and it's cool to see everything in action. This is one of the few animes where I wouldn't staunchly tell you to ditch the anime and go read the manga first. On the other hand, I enjoy reading manga more than anime especially if it's a dialogue based series, simply because I can get through it faster. In anime I have to wait for them to finish talking, and I can certainly read a sentence faster than I can listen to someone say it. It all really comes down to personal preference, but I would recommend the manga because it's the original and in some places it flows better. As far as storyline goes... I haven't seen any glaring differences yet. I haven't even seen small differences.... just microscopic, artistic license ones.

as for the Light = atheist? discussion... It may be prudent to add that a Shinigami is not necessarily equivilent to a god according to our western terms of what god means. Besides, this is a fictional work that takes Japanese mythology and changes it to fit its means. The issue is not whether or not Light believes in a Shinigami; it is whether or not he believes in a divine god higher than himself. As UC said it is evident by the end of the series that he does not, and he is therefore an atheist. However, one might also refer to the few times throughout the series that Light comments that he might have a god other than a shinigami on his side. Examining the end of the series seems to reveal that he said that more out of sarcasm than anything else though... In any case, I don't think Light is a materialist, which may have been what you were leaning towards when you said he was an atheist. His thoughts and plans accomodate the supernatural things (the notebook, Ryuk, later... other things) in the story as well at the physical in a way that suggests he believes they are real and a part of the world.

Examining the philosophical thought of an animated character is hard. And pointless. But I ramble...

[Tommy]

Excuse me for being an ignorant n00b, but who is Light? I heard about this character before viewing the manga, but I have yet to see him or her.

If my manga source is screwed up and they kept the Japanese name, THEY are to blame.

(Note:I'm on Chapter 20)

[Mr. SmartyPants]

Excuse me for being an ignorant n00b, but who is Light? I heard about this character before viewing the manga, but I have yet to see him or her.

If my manga source is screwed up and they kept the Japanese name, THEY are to blame.

(Note:I'm on Chapter 20)

Light = Raito (I was a bit confused with it too at first)

Think about it. Japanese people would likely pronounce "Light" as "Raito" (2 syllables and replacing the L with the R)

[Kawaiikneko]

MSP is right. Light is pronounced Raito in Japanese, but Light is his name... The kanji used for his name is "tsuki" (moon) and is read "Light" (moon=>Light... get it?). The katakana used spells Raito because that is the japanese spelling of Light. *shrug* Don't worry about it. It's not a big deal since you could translate it either way.

[uc pseudonym]

Personally I favor "Raito" simply because "Light" is an english word. I guess this is the point where I would prefer a mistranslation that has a better end result than a proper translation that is dysfunctional in some way (names in Naruto come to mind here). But for the reason stated below I use Light, not to mention that it is common usage.

If my manga source is screwed up and they kept the Japanese name, THEY are to blame.

Most groups used Raito until the creator went so far as to say that "Light" was the correct translation. I predict your source will change midway through and have some note about it.

[GrubbTheFragger]

I just got into the manga which I'm assuming has the same plot as the anime.

The plot flows very well and the characters are interesting. Can't say I agree with the main character's (not the good guy, of course) out look on things such as "Cleaning up the Earth." That makes him like a juvenille Hitler.

I will keep reading though. It's very interesting. May I use this oportunity to ask which you find handles the plot better, the manga or anime?

Plot wise both are almost the exact same. The manga is great

[Technomancer]

yeah. he's the type of character you start off rooting for at the beginning but slowly begin to hope that he gets caught. the story's good in portraying how light slowly becomes more and more insane and caught up in his goal. but it's still jacked up how he takes advantage of people and kills innocent people.

I never thought of him as someone to root for once it became apparent what his plan was (which he states quite early on). I suppose had he not found the book, he might simply have become the sort of garden variety sociopath that manages to make a decent career for himself. However, I think his disregard for, or inability to empathize with, human life long predates any contact with Ryuk. The Death Note simply gave a potential monster the means to seek his ends.

[Tommy]

Did the manga END at Chapter 108?

[Kawaiikneko]

Yes, it ended at 108.

[Masaka_Naraku]

I watched Death Note to see what the fuss is about.
(Its popular and such O_o)

And I like it hehe I've watched up to episode 14 so far.

Yeah. Animes get Licenced fast nowadays. But it takes longer to come to the UK OR dosen't come at all.

[Fish and Chips]

I never thought of him as someone to root for once it became apparent what his plan was (which he states quite early on). I suppose had he not found the book, he might simply have become the sort of garden variety sociopath that manages to make a decent career for himself. However, I think his disregard for, or inability to empathize with, human life long predates any contact with Ryuk. The Death Note simply gave a potential monster the means to seek his ends.

You know, if you think about is, the only person in the course of the entire series who could be "Trusted" with the Death Note, and actually had it in their hands, never uses it.
[spoiler]Soichiro Yagami, obviously.[/spoiler]