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Postby jon_jinn » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:54 pm

i was just wondering what the significance of the title "Bleach" stands for? i can't really see how it relates to anything that has to do with the manga...
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Postby Denimcat » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:55 pm

It's absolutely nothing.

Kubo Tite is a music buff, and the series is named for Nirvana's first record.

I know, it's kinda disappointing. : /
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Postby Tenshi no Ai » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:57 pm

Just, random cool english words^^ Although Ichigo's a redhead (er, orangehead as far as anime coloured hair goes^^) I just think in my mind that it's refering to his hair...
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Postby jon_jinn » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:57 pm

woah. that's totally random. is that how Kubo got the titles for his other mangas?
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Postby ChristianKitsune » Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:57 pm

seriously?

I would have thought that it stood for like Bleach White...as in the masks of the Hollows...or maybe the ghosts?
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Postby jon_jinn » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:08 pm

wow. then i guess zombie powder was based on a song too. but it's sorta cool because Kubo can make a story based on a song.
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Postby mitsuki lover » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:27 pm

Ichigo has orange hair.
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Postby samuraidragon » Wed Jan 03, 2007 12:36 pm

It's romanized as Bleach. It's written as burichi 「ブリーチ」in Japanese. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
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Postby uc pseudonym » Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:31 pm

If I recall, the manga vaguely talks about Ichigo having bleached his hair and Kubo Tite specifically supported that interpretation in an interview. But Denimcat has what I believe to be the deeper reason.

I like Bleach, but I think it has a poor title. If you want to search for more meaning, however, you could view literal bleach as a cleansing agent, in the same way that shinigami cleanse Hollows. If Bleach were an 18th century classic, you know this view would be touted in English classes.
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Postby jon_jinn » Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:36 pm

uc pseudonym wrote:If you want to search for more meaning, however, you could view literal bleach as a cleansing agent, in the same way that shinigami cleanse Hollows.


that was sorta what i was thinking, as the idea of starting this topic appeared in my mind while i was washing my shower with bleach.
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Postby KhakiBlueSocks » Wed Jan 03, 2007 4:51 pm

Ah! That's it! It's a subliminal advertisement for Clorox!
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Postby Kami » Wed Jan 03, 2007 5:23 pm

Tite Kubo likes his whites white ?

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Postby Mave » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:02 am

Well, I think Bleach is a cool title even if it doesn't carry a specific meaning. Can you imagine how it would be it had some other title?

Go Ichigo!
KuboTite Manga #2 (or whatever number it is)
After Zombie Powder
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Ok maybe "Soul Society" might work but hehe... couldn't resist some humor while thinking of some alternate titles for Bleach. XD
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Postby ChristianKitsune » Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:46 am

I like Raging Hallows and Soul Society. XD'
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Postby bigsleepj » Thu Jan 04, 2007 4:58 am

Well, since the title doesn't matter, how about Pie Crust Chronicles?
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Postby uc pseudonym » Thu Jan 04, 2007 1:15 pm

Mave wrote:Shinigamis Ahoy!

I whole-heartedly support this title and intend to call the series by this name from here on out.

Other than having no meaning, I agree that it is a good title. It seems apt and it serves to identify the series. At least it doesn't follow the Adjective Noun Name pattern (ie Reaper Guy Ichigo).
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Postby jon_jinn » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:18 pm

uc pseudonym wrote:Other than having no meaning, I agree that it is a good title. It seems apt and it serves to identify the series. At least it doesn't follow the Adjective Noun Name pattern (ie Reaper Guy Ichigo).


yeah. the title separates the manga from others and makes it obvious. it also, in some unusual way, makes the manga sound more interesting. the title is easy to remember, easy to pronounce, one word long, and just plain mysterious...
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Postby rocklobster » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:32 pm

I always thought they should just call it Soul Reaper.
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Postby jon_jinn » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:37 pm

rocklobster wrote:I always thought they should just call it Soul Reaper.


or they could just title it, Shinigami. :sweat:
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Postby samuraidragon » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:44 pm

jon_jinn wrote:or they could just title it, Shinigami. :sweat:
In Japanese, which I would doubt they would leave untranslated in english.


I also support Shinigamis Ahoy!
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Postby jon_jinn » Thu Jan 04, 2007 2:54 pm

samuraidragon wrote:In Japanese, which I would doubt they would leave untranslated in english.


but if they left it Shinigami when they publish it in English, the title would sound cool and would attract a lot of people. i think it sounds cooler than its English translation, Soul Reaper.
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Postby samuraidragon » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:00 pm

jon_jinn wrote:but if they left it Shinigami when they publish it in English, the title would sound cool and would attract a lot of people. i think it sounds cooler than its English translation, Soul Reaper.
Undoubtedly, but for whatever reason they didn't. Also, already is a manga named Shinigami-kun as well as a rakugo (comical monologues) named Shinigami
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Postby Roy Mustang » Thu Jan 04, 2007 3:31 pm

I think they should call Bleach this.


The anime title formerly known as Bleach, because fans didn't like the name and we couldn't come up with a better name for the title at this time.

I like to see them put that on the cover of a dvd!


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Postby samuraidragon » Thu Jan 04, 2007 8:45 pm

Fans like the name. Who doesn't like the name? I like the name. Read UC's post; he likes it.
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Postby jon_jinn » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:48 am

yep. bleach is definitely a good title for the manga and i don't think many fans have a really big problem regarding the title, as it is the rest of the manga that makes up for this.
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Postby Roy Mustang » Fri Jan 05, 2007 11:26 am

I was making a joke, really.


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Postby mitsuki lover » Fri Jan 05, 2007 12:09 pm

How about:The Way Cool Adventures of Rukia and Her Human Sidekick Ichigo
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Postby samuraidragon » Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:09 pm

Wingzero22 wrote:I was making a joke, really.
Oh. *laughs* XD
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Postby Sami_jane » Fri Jan 05, 2007 2:09 pm

i love the title..even tho it has nothing to do with the show...its different...and it goes with the opening title. i also love the opening and closing songs,asterisk and life is like a boat. orange range makes a lot of good songs if you ask me.
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Postby Kai Robin » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:24 am

mitsuki lover wrote:How about:The Way Cool Adventures of Rukia and Her Human Sidekick Ichigo


Unfortunately, the longer the series goes on, the more it becomes "The Way Cool Adventures of Ichigo and his Adoring Lapdog Rukia,"

bleh, no amount of bleach will wipe away my disdain for Ichigo!
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