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Postby Joshua Christopher » Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:33 pm

What about an RPG-styled game where the main character was Christian, but it really isn't a huge aspect of the game itself? Just using his/her Christian beliefs as moral guidance and such, but not pushing the religion aspect.
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Postby Fireproof » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:32 am

That's what I was talking about earlier.
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Postby Myoti » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:43 am

What about an RPG-styled game where the main character was Christian, but it really isn't a huge aspect of the game itself? Just using his/her Christian beliefs as moral guidance and such, but not pushing the religion aspect.

That's what I was going for in the RPG I spoke about making.
Actual, I planned on having many "representaions" of things, but never directly talking God or anything, just using different names.
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Postby Tommy » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:54 am

Ok, so I was about to say that and Fireproof beat me to it and then Impact Alberto says the same thing....hm...

Maybe could could all unite and form a video gaming company. ^_^

Except, I`m sort of young, but....that`s ok.
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Postby Fireproof » Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:03 am

Tom Dincht wrote:Ok, so I was about to say that and Fireproof beat me to it and then Impact Alberto says the same thing....hm...

Maybe could could all unite and form a video gaming company. ^_^

Except, I`m sort of young, but....that`s ok.

Heh. There is RPG Maker 2003, and it's no loner being sold, so it wouldn't be [i]that[/]i bad to use... *Shrugs* It's kind of a moral dilemma.
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Postby TurkishMonky » Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:03 am

what about a game where you have to smuggle bibles into china and try to keep a persecuted church safely out of sight of the authorities, all while your church is growing and witnessing in secret? it could be heavily stealth based, third person, and maybe a little like KOTOR....
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Postby skynes » Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:19 am

The best idea I've had so far is about genetic manipulation. Your character is a genetic weapon, who doesn't like being 'used'. He is not a good guy, he's out for revenge plain and simple. At the same time his creator is trying to kill him as he's a pest. It'll show the dangers of hate and vengeance andh ow they consume you.

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TurkishMonkey, I would like that, but would any Non-Christian be remotely interested? Aimed at the Christian community it'd be cool though.
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Postby Myoti » Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:58 am

Heh. There is RPG Maker 2003, and it's no loner being sold, so it wouldn't be [i]that[/]i bad to use... *Shrugs* It's kind of a moral dilemma.

I have that program, but it's kinda tricky to use.
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Postby Fireproof » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:20 am

Oh, I'm great with RM2K3. If we really wanted to, we could make such an RPG.
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Postby Myoti » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:32 am

Yeah, I need to get it back on. I have test something on it...
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Postby uc pseudonym » Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:02 pm

Tom Dincht wrote:It`s not really that off topic UC, saying a comic with Christian values would make a good movie or video game but your a mod, I`m not so I guess it`s off topic.


What I said was that my post was straying off topic]What about an RPG-styled game where the main character was Christian, but it really isn't a huge aspect of the game itself? Just using his/her Christian beliefs as moral guidance and such, but not pushing the religion aspect.[/quote]

I think that this (in far more than the video game medium) has a lot of value. There are plenty of "Christians" in media, it's just that not many of them are at all good examples.

Myoti wrote:Actual, I planned on having many "representaions" of things, but never directly talking God or anything, just using different names.


In one sense, I'd like to commend you, but in another, I'd like to caution you. If you are creating a fantasy world, theoretically under the same God, this is absolutely essential in terms of "realism." On the other hand, renaming everything is really just a cheap trick so that people who would be offended won't figure out right away. I trust you mean the former.
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Postby Myoti » Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:46 pm

In one sense, I'd like to commend you, but in another, I'd like to caution you. If you are creating a fantasy world, theoretically under the same God, this is absolutely essential in terms of "realism." On the other hand, renaming everything is really just a cheap trick so that people who would be offended won't figure out right away. I trust you mean the former.

If the former is better, than yes.
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Postby Kagan » Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:15 pm

I just saw someone playing Grand Theft Auto San Andreas, but he placed United Live (a Hillsong band) in the custom folder so his cars played Christian music. Seriously, I think Christian, games, and entertaining are three words that would be difficult to put together to form a convincing sentence.

EDIT: Actually I got an idea. I've been playing KoToR recently. Maybe you can make a game a like that, except that if you choose the evil path it acutally ends up being badly for you instead of you conquering the world like what happens after you become evil in the game.
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Postby Tommy » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:21 pm

Hmm.....that sounds cool.

I always thought of an action game that takes place in the year 2130 (Random numers) and is basically a robotic furturistic scene. Christians are considered a seperate race than humans, that is how umch they are hated. They are conisdered a race that should simply be deleted as one would say. One mna is sent to destroy all Christians and ends up seeing what they`re going through and joins their rebellion.

The Cross Files.....would it sell?
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Postby Fsiphskilm » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:32 pm

So, what's the current status of Christian games?

short answer: They suck and no-one buys them
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Postby Tommy » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:37 pm

Volt wrote:short answer: They suck and no-one buys them


The Long Answer:
Why do they suck? Because they're prissy, have unrealisticly LOW amounts of violence, and can easily be described as "Sissy" or "Gay" (Social figure of Speech)
[period]

There's NO other reason as to why Christian games are at the bottom. Becuase they're always so picky on Theology. Christians are afraid to make games that use creativity or imagination because they keep thinking "what if leads someone to a cult realigion... hmmm... i shouldn't use fantasy! Fantasy is bad. I'll just make another Bible Verse Quiz Game"

When I pull together my own GD studio The first Game I'm going to start working on will be called "Revelation: World on Fire" and its going to be extremely bloody, so bloody and violent that it'll be rated AO(adults only), in fact, there's going to be a cheat code that makes all water in 1/3 of the level turn to blood, and people heads will fly off, burning bodies and such"... just to get that out of my system.

Just for the sake of saying 'FINALLY!!!! GOOOOOOSH, I WANTED TO SEE THAT IN A CHRISTIAN GAME FOR SOOOOOOO FREAKEN LONG!!!!!'

And then I'll go back to making Cute little Anime Christian RPGs.


Why make a game with so much violence? i mean sure Christian games lack it, but AO?! Come on, man.

If Cross File became a real game, it would be a Frist Person shooter rated T for mild animated blood and violence.

I know what you mean. Bible verse Quiz games aren`t that fun...at all.
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Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:41 pm

Volt has a point. I think part of what Volt was saying was humor. I could be wrong though.
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Postby Fsiphskilm » Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:42 pm

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Postby Ky Kiske » Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:58 pm

"You know what would work very well? A secular game infused with Christian values, morals, and viewpoints, but it'd be merketed as a normal game. And it'd be subtle, so it wouldn't turn people away immediately."

Yeah I agree. I think an allegory would do well (sorta like the Chronicles of Narnia)
Alot of RPG feature priest and holy men but they do not get a big role usually.
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Postby Joshua Christopher » Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:59 pm

Ky Kiske wrote:"You know what would work very well? A secular game infused with Christian values, morals, and viewpoints, but it'd be merketed as a normal game. And it'd be subtle, so it wouldn't turn people away immediately."


Without God, who is to say what is right and wrong?

Trying to infuse morals is fine, but without God why can anything really be considered good or bad?

Some athiests are the most moral people in the world, so are many people in other religions. Satan is not against morals (stay with me here), just against Christianity.
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Postby Warrior 4 Jesus » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:03 am

I totally agree Impact. That's probably the most intelligent thing you've said on CAA to date!
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Postby skynes » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:35 am

I'm so tired of this. When I pull together my own GD studio The first Game I'm going to start working on will be called "Revelation: World on Fire" and its going to be extremely bloody, so bloody and violent that it'll be rated AO(adults only), in fact, there's going to be a cheat code that makes all water in 1/3 of the level turn to blood, and people heads will fly off, burning bodies and such"... just to get that out of my system. And you'll be able to kill anyone with any object. Even babanas and pebbles and office chairs. Also when you kill one person, even if you hit them in the foot, their entire body will exp..er... asplode. And the flinging blood from them.. if it touches any one else, they'll asplode too.

And Dogs and cats, birds and bugs, will all blow up and blood will fly everywhere, there will be so much blood, that the requirements for the game will be "Must be able to run in 2bit color mode" because the only colors you'll need are red and red...and a few others, but mostely bloody red.

and..and.. it'll be bloody, and lots of gore and it'll have zombies and at the end Jesus will come down from the sky and say "Kameyameee" and blow the whole world up, which will cuase EXTREME ammounts of blood to fly everywhere. And then the credits will roll.... ... .... in blood.


heh heh, Volt, I love your sense of humour. Just promise me to include the blood thrower 3000. A flame thrower that uses blood as a fuel.


I think Christian games should be a little more violent, the adventure and shooter ones anyway. Puzzle games you don't really need violence, just an interesting system.
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Postby Myoti » Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:35 am

The three games I talked about making would all definetly get a T rating simply for violence, though it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be over the top.

The "Joshua" based game would have blood, though probably not any higher than the LOTR games had. You know, slash, stab, gushy noises, and "spray paint" style blood. Enough action that'll it'll attract even secular gamers but not so much violence as to turn away Christian ones (though I'm certain many Christians do enjoy a bit of violence now and then...).
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Postby Tommy » Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:50 am

Hm....no one commented on Cross Files.....oh, well.

Oh Volt, I get what you mean now. Sorry I took it from a different perspective.
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Postby uc pseudonym » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:27 am

Tom Dincht wrote:The Cross Files.....would it sell?


That depends... would the gameplay be decent? Would the plot seem anything but contrived? Could the main character's conversion actually be realistic?

Volt wrote:I'm so tired of this. When I pull together my own GD studio The first Game I'm going to start working on will be called "Revelation: World on Fire" and its going to be extremely bloody, so bloody and violent that it'll be rated AO(adults only), in fact, there's going to be a cheat code that makes all water in 1/3 of the level turn to blood, and people heads will fly off, burning bodies and such"... just to get that out of my system. And you'll be able to kill anyone with any object. Even babanas and pebbles and office chairs. Also when you kill one person, even if you hit them in the foot, their entire body will exp..er... asplode. And the flinging blood from them.. if it touches any one else, they'll asplode too.

And Dogs and cats, birds and bugs, will all blow up and blood will fly everywhere, there will be so much blood, that the requirements for the game will be "Must be able to run in 2bit color mode" because the only colors you'll need are red and red...and a few others, but mostely bloody red.

and..and.. it'll be bloody, and lots of gore and it'll have zombies and at the end Jesus will come down from the sky and say "Kameyameee" and blow the whole world up, which will cuase EXTREME ammounts of blood to fly everywhere. And then the credits will roll.... ... .... in blood.


Heh. Personally, I rarely give ratings any thought. Whatever works for the storyline/gameplay.

Impact Alberto wrote:Without God, who is to say what is right and wrong?

Trying to infuse morals is fine, but without God why can anything really be considered good or bad?

Some athiests are the most moral people in the world, so are many people in other religions. Satan is not against morals (stay with me here), just against Christianity.


Hm, I won't quibble on details, so I'll just say that you have a good point. That is why I generally support the existence of Christians with minor roles in a game, instead of merely morals. You'll find those in secular games.
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Postby Fireproof » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:21 pm

*Is hit* Impact Alberto strikes again. *Twitches in a heap on the floor* Well, back to the drawing board. *Gets up, then starts jotting down ideas*
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Postby Joshua Christopher » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:40 pm

Fireproof wrote:*Is hit* Impact Alberto strikes again. *Twitches in a heap on the floor* Well, back to the drawing board. *Gets up, then starts jotting down ideas*


Heh, no offense was meant!

Remember, many religions (like Buddhism) support some of the same morals that Christianity does, so many games may already be infused with moral concepts, but that does not mean they support Christianity. I'll get off of this subject, sorry.
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Postby Fsiphskilm » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:26 am

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Postby Myoti » Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:01 am

i got it!

ANother Christian game... It'll be called "DOGEBALL: Rebel Spirits" and it'll be rated AO for violence and gore. (The dodgeballs will have spikes on them)

And after that, I'll calm down a bit and make "Bible Sports" like basketball, tennis, racing, only with Bible Charecters.

OK, you're just scaring me now. (jk)
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Postby Tommy » Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:30 am

I have a better name for your Dodgeball game: Deathball.

And a better name for Revelation: The Blood Game Rated E for Everyone over the age of 31.
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